Self assured promotion

[the galah]

Was that not a ridiculous promotion last night.

Think about this. The precedent now is every horse that moves out or in, even a horse width or two in the final 250m, then its a goner.If there is to be any consistency there will be many more inquiries to come,and many that should have been. Of course we know that won't happen,which is why last nights decision was stupid.

Lets just tell it how it is. And that is because it was mark purdon lodging the protest,the jca based their decision largely on the fact it was mark purdon saying something. 

And heres another question. Why was Rasmussen not warned in south coast ardens win 2 starts ago. The horse moved out 1-2 horse widths in that race at exactly the same point in the straight. So if that movement is enough to cost her the win last night,then why didn't the stipes pick that up 2 starts ago and warn her. Well we all know why. Because they realised that would have been bordering on the ridiculous, to warn a driver for such minimal movement.

And of course now every time a horse in front comes to the passing lane,if it moves in ever so slightly then going on last nights decision why shouldn't the horse taking the passing lane expect to be promoted if they get close.It has to if there is any consistency, as moving in or out is still movement either way.

Edited October 15, 2021 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

SOUTH COAST ARDEN - fractious prior to the start and reared on several occasions. A warning was placed on the barrier record of the gelding. Shifted outwards in the run home causing interference to SELF ASSURED placed 2nd. Driver M Purdon (SELF ASSURED) lodged a protest against 1st placing being awarded to SOUTH COAST ARDEN (N Rasmussen) and after viewing the films and hearing evidence from both drivers and Stewards, the Adjudicative Committee upheld the protest and promoted SELF ASSURED to 1st placing. Driver N Rasmussen defended an associated charge under Rule 869(3)(b) alleging she had driven carelessly by not taking sufficient corrective action when continuing to drive her horse out in the run home with the charge being dismissed by the Adjudicative Committee.

SELF ASSURED - lay in throughout the run home. Forced to race wider on the track by SOUTH COAST ARDEN which shifted outwards in the run home losing momentum. Promoted to 1st placing by the Adjudicative Committee.

[the galah]

54 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

And heres another question. Why was Rasmussen not warned in south coast ardens win 2 starts ago. The horse moved out 1-2 horse widths in that race at exactly the same point in the straight. So if that movement is enough to cost her the win last night,then why didn't the stipes pick that up 2 starts ago and warn her. Well we all know why. Because they realised that would have been bordering on the ridiculous, to warn a driver for such minimal movement.

 

I see the stipes did note that south coast arden lay outwards at the same point 2 starts ago. 

I'm not saying the stipes got last night wrong,it was a jca decision.The stipes report states Mark purdon lodged the inquiry.I am saying the jca base how much weight they put on a drivers evidence on who gives it.

Edited October 15, 2021 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

53 minutes ago, the galah said:

The horse moved out 1-2 horse widths in that race at exactly the same point in the straight.

Last night the horse moved out when she pulled the ear plugs.  What I've been noticing is that horses tend to move away from the side that the ear plugs are pulled from. 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

The precedent now is every horse that moves out or in, even a horse width or two in the final 250m

But it definitely took Self Assured's line and hampered its run.

1 hour ago, the galah said:

If there is to be any consistency there will be many more inquiries to come

You'd expect that there would be.

1 hour ago, the galah said:

Of course we know that won't happen,which is why last nights decision was stupid.

How do we know it "won't happen"?

[the galah]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

Last night the horse moved out when she pulled the ear plugs.  What I've been noticing is that horses tend to move away from the side that the ear plugs are pulled from. 

Maybe that was a factor. But you see that type of minimal inward or outward movement all the time in the straight in races.  

We all know self assured has shown a tendency to lay in as well in several races in the past.

Its just unrealistic to expect a driver to maintain an absolute dead straight line.The stipes know that and is why they don't mention every horse that deviates slightly in their reports.

As i say this sets a precedent,although i'm guessing other drivers won't bother protesting for something similar,which really sums it up.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, the galah said:

We all know self assured has shown a tendency to lay in as well in several races in the past.

I had another look.  You are right.  Self Assured ran in a lot more than South Coast Ardern ran out.

[the galah]

 

25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I had another look.  You are right.  Self Assured ran in a lot more than South Coast Ardern ran out.

Us agreeing ,that can't be right? Thats the thing though,self assured did move in more than south coast arden moved out just prior to when he came alongside rasmussen.If you look at classie brigade,its forced closer in to henry hubert,because self assured has run in. Oh well,at least it wasn't the nz cup, because that would have a bigger audience scratching their heads.

[Chief Stipe]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

Us agreeing ,that can't be right? Thats the thing though,self assured did move in more than south coast arden moved out just prior to when he came alongside rasmussen.If you look at classie brigade,its forced closer in to henry hubert,because self assured has run in. Oh well,at least it wasn't the nz cup, because that would have a bigger audience scratching their heads.

I think they got it wrong on this occasion.  As for consistency of the Feds well you and I have disagreed on that for some time.

[hunterthepunter]

aloka 

[Rangatira]

32 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

aloka 

RIP

[Chief Stipe]

EVIDENCE:

Following the running of Race 8, Stipendiary Steward Mr S Renault presented an Information Instigating a Protest. The Informant Mr Mark Purdon (SELF ASSURED) was alleging interference by SOUTH COAST ARDEN in the home straight. The Judge’s official margin was a nose.

Mr Renault played the home straight videos of the incident and identified both horses. The video showed at the top of the straight SOUTH COAST ARDEN leading the race and, as Ms Rasmussen activated gear, run up the track which allegedly interfered with SELF ASSURED.

SUBMISSIONS:

Mr Purdon said he felt when he had asked his horse to run and if he was able to run in a straight line, he would have won the race. He said because he had to check his horse at least twice to clear Ms Rasmussen’s wheel it stopped his momentum.

Ms Rasmussen said if her horse had run straight she would have won this race easily. Ms Rasmussen admitted her horse had drifted up the track but alluded to her horse being awkward and that SELF ASSURED wears a blind on its near side. This she said would have restricted its vision and made it more difficult for Mr Purdon and made the incident look a lot worse.

Mr Renault submitted the Stewards’ assessment was the shift by SOUTH COAST ARDEN has forced Mr Purdon to check at least two times. He said together with the small margin at the finish the Protest had strong merit.

REASON FOR DECISION:

The Adjudicator in assessing a Protest must be satisfied two criteria have been met.

The first, was there interference? All parties agree there was.

The second, did the interference have a bearing on the finishing order of the race?

This Adjudicator asked Respondent Ms Rasmussen, with the advantage of viewing the films from all angles and speeds, if she had been driving SELF ASSURED, would the interference had been enough to warrant a change of placings. After a slight pause, she said it would.

This honest and professional assessment by Ms Rasmussen endorsed the opinion of the incident by the Stewards, Mr Purdon and Adjudicator. Accordingly, the first two placings were reversed.

CONCLUSIONS:

The amended result of Race 8 is:

1st – 6 –  SELF ASSURED

2nd – 3 – SOUTH COAST ARDEN

3rd – 5 – CLASSIE BRIGADE

4th – 4 – HENRY HUBERT

5th – 2 – U MAY COLLECT.

Stakes and Dividends were ordered to be paid in accordance with the amended result.

[Chief Stipe]

EVIDENCE:

Following the running of Race 8 an Information was presented by Stipendiary Steward Mr S Renault alleging a breach of the Careless Driving Rule 869(3)(b). The Information stated, “N Rasmussen drove carelessly in the run home by allowing her horse to shift outwards causing interference to SELF ASSURED.”

Mr Renault showed the home straight video and identified Ms Rasmussen leading the race at the 250-metre mark. He pointed to Ms Rasmussen activate the earplugs at which time the horse had shifted out approximately 1 1/2 cart widths. He said the Stewards’ concern was after this had happened Ms Rasmussen has failed to straighten her horse in the run to the line interfering with SELF ASSURED.

Ms Rasmussen stated it was obvious that her horse has shifted wider as she crossed her reins to activate the earplugs. She said her horse is a difficult drive and has plenty of gear on to try and help it. She said once she had regathered her rein there was minimal movement.

REASON FOR DECISION:

The Adjudicator carefully considered all the evidence and replayed the video many times. It was agreed by all parties that as Ms Rasmussen crossed her reins to activate gear her horse has ducked out significantly, interfering with SELF ASSURED. This interference was enough to reverse the placings in the subsequent protest.

Once Ms Rasmussen regained her rein the video shows SOUTH COAST ARDEN drifted up the track slightly but not to an extent that would have caused Mr Purdon(SELF ASSURED) any major interference in normal circumstances. Although this minor movement may have compounded Mr Purdon’s problem of navigating around Ms Rasmussen the damage had already taken place.

This Adjudicator considers Ms Rasmussen was not to blame for SOUTH COAST ARDEN ducking out at the 250 metres and any movement after that fact was within a reasonable margin and not worthy of sanction under the Careless Driving Rule.

CONCLUSIONS:

The charge was dismissed.

[the galah]

I read this,and just think its a joke. Natalie rasmussen effectively giving evidence that her horse should be relegated.Would she have said the same thing if it wasn't her training partner. Of course not . Just a joke really.

[Robalan]

My thoughts exactly. Is Purdon so desperate for money that he needs to put in such a laughable protest when in effect he is training both horses

[Gospel of Judas]

Dear me, what a bloody trainwreck!

[the galah]

Well we got to look at part of the head on,on the box seat,with the key word being part of. No ones arguing south coast arden didn't move out 1-1 1/2 horse widths at one point,but they are arguing that self assured ducked in prior to the incident and that contributed to the incident.

Now showing the head on from the point AFTER self assured ducked in is not addressing the argument that self assured moved in.  You can only be left with the one take from that, and that is the footage shown on the box seat has been edited  to fit the official narrative they wanted to portray.

Now mick guerin goes on about the punters being important,but here we had the driver of the horse first past the post giving evidence that supported her horse being relegated in what was a marginal call. Is that what punters of a $1.30 win shot in the main race of the night should expect.

And again i would say,we all know if the exact same thing happened in the nz cup and it wasn't her stablemate that ran 2nd,she would not have given the same evidence. 

Relegation,or no relegation.Punters should expect the drivers of those they back to argue a case that would make arguments in their favour,not against.And punters should have been shown the full straight coverage,not edited portions thereof.

Edited October 19, 2021 by the galah