Race 4 Hastings 16 October 2021 - Shambles of a Race!

[nomates]

Great racing today , even here the 2 meetings are great fields , the leveler here is the standard of riding .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Great racing today , even here the 2 meetings are great fields , the leveler here is the standard of riding .

R4 at Hastings just about sums the standard of our riding , absolute shambles of a race . 

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, nomates said:

R4 at Hastings just about sums the standard of our riding , absolute shambles of a race . 

What do you think of Erin Leighton?  Seems to have a cool head and speaks well.

Had a bit of a rocky past so good to see her doing OK.

[nomates]

26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What do you think of Erin Leighton?  Seems to have a cool head and speaks well.

Had a bit of a rocky past so good to see her doing OK.

She has a future , but honestly we have so many senior riders that are looking after themselves in races , some just look plain scared to do anything .

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What do you think of Erin Leighton?  Seems to have a cool head and speaks well.

Had a bit of a rocky past so good to see her doing OK.

2 from 2.  Nice ride on Tannahill.  I like a Jockey that has a bit of height.  Rode that race intelligently and didn't flail the whip all over the place!

[Joe Bloggs]

40 minutes ago, nomates said:

R4 at Hastings just about sums the standard of our riding , absolute shambles of a race . 

Have a look at the ride on Joy Alone in the race just run, what was Riddell thinking, that was a slaughter, on a horse first up, thats a gut buster, owner if Baker is a happy Chappy.

[Joe Bloggs]

Wonder...not owner.....WTF

[nomates]

14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

2 from 2.  Nice ride on Tannahill.  I like a Jockey that has a bit of height.  Rode that race intelligently and didn't flail the whip all over the place!

She was part of the problem in the 3yo race , got the lead then dragged the pace right out , everything jammed and horses were going everywhere , Elliot on the horse outside her was at fault to because he did the same .

They can ease the pace but to back it off like that is dangerous , wonder if the stipes said anything , they're clueless so doubt it .

[nomates]

15 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Have a look at the ride on Joy Alone in the race just run, what was Riddell thinking, that was a slaughter, on a horse first up, thats a gut buster, owner if Baker is a happy Chappy.

Mate it happens every race , you watch the first 200/300 of a race here and most jockeys are just watching waiting for something to open up to give them a slot , no plan out of the gates , i used to tell them if they were on one of mine , make a decision out of the gates on how the horse jumps but do not doing nothing and get caught wide , i could live with losing if they have given the horse a chance .

Unfortunately , and i have said this many times , our ranks are so thin that most don't have the fire in them , just riding for a living .

[holy ravioli]

24 minutes ago, nomates said:

She has a future , but honestly we have so many senior riders that are looking after themselves in races , some just look plain scared to do anything .

Been that way for along while.

Senior jockey  disappointed for a run in a minor race ,puts the cue in the rack.

Keen young apprentices ,especially over sprints are better value.

[Chief Stipe]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

What's PDF?  Do you mean Prise De Fer?  Of the Te Akau runners I prefer Savvy Yong Blonk.

Average rating for the race 90.  16 going round......hard race to pick the winner!

 

 

At last a decent ride from Danielle Johnson.

[Chief Stipe]

Race 4 NZB READY TO RUN SALE TRAINERS SERIES 3YO 1300M

MERCURIAL (E Leighton) - Jumped away awkwardly and lay out crowding IVANKA onto UNUSUAL COUNTESS, which both lost ground. Badly held up near the 300 metres having to be steadied for a distance and shift outwards across heels before obtaining clear running approaching the 100 metres.

IVANKA (K Hercock) - Crowded start losing ground. Over-raced in the middle stages on a moderate tempo. Steadied off heels near the 600 metres. UNUSUAL COUNTESS (L Allpress) - Crowded start losing ground. WAKARI (D Johnson) - Slow away. PURE IMAGINATION (C Grylls) - Commenced to over-race near the 1000 metres then racing ungenerously for a distance making the bending near the 800 metres awkwardly before being allowed to improve forward to lead. PALAMOS (T Harris) - Over-raced middle stages.

Riders E Leighton (MERCURIAL) and R Elliot (DRUM MAJOR) were questioned regarding the steadying of the pace in the middle stages. R Elliot advised that after riding his mount forward from a wide barrier to lead he had then opted to steady when MERCURIAL was maintaining a position to his inside. E Leighton explained that after taking up a prominent position inside DRUM MAJOR once her mount had been left in front it had raced very greenly shying near the 700 metres then ducking away from the running rail near the 600 metres. The explanations of both riders were noted. T Harris (PALAMOS) – Admitted a charge in that he struck his mount PALAMOS six times prior to the 100 metres with the matter being adjourned until tomorrow race meeting at Rotorua.

 

[Chief Stipe]

18 hours ago, nomates said:

She was part of the problem in the 3yo race , got the lead then dragged the pace right out , everything jammed and horses were going everywhere , Elliot on the horse outside her was at fault to because he did the same .

Looking at the race again I'm not so sure your assessment is correct.  

[Chief Stipe]

17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

At last a decent ride from Danielle Johnson.

I see our resident lurking sulker @Thomass has labelled this post "Fake News".  I was referring to her ride on Savvy Yong Blonk in the Livimol.

Well I'm sure @Thomass you were all over the previous race at Hastings just like the Stipes were.

Race 7 TUMU GROUP 1400M

D Johnson (DEEP BEAUTY) - Admitted a charge of careless riding in that she permitted her mount to shift outwards near the 500 metres when not sufficiently clear of FOUR QUEENS which was dictated outwards clipping a heel of SHOCKALLIA and blundering badly. After hearing submissions, the Adjudicative Committee imposed a suspension of her license to ride in races from the conclusion of racing on Monday 25 October until the conclusion of racing on Wednesday 3 November, 7 national riding days.

[nod]

Leighton has improved out of sight since joining the Hillis team in the autumn and getting opportunities.

I understand she is around 30 years old so is not a raw kid

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Looking at the race again I'm not so sure your assessment is correct.  

What part , they took the pace right out , horses behind got right up on heels , one got so tight in behind that rider took it 3 wide , it was very messy and the cause was the ones in front , they both admitted they steadied , it was how much they steadied .

Neither warned about it , just noted . This is where the problem is , the stipes aren't tough enough , but they can fine someone for not having their colors or late rider .

We will have to agree to differ , again .

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, nomates said:

What part , they took the pace right out , horses behind got right up on heels , one got so tight in behind that rider took it 3 wide

But no horse on the rail got within one length of the heels of Mercurial (Leighton).  R Elliot caused more carnage.

[nomates]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

But no horse on the rail got within one length of the heels of Mercurial (Leighton).  R Elliot caused more carnage.

I said he was part of it . She was one of the jockeys that eased the pace too much , IMO . 

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, nomates said:

She was one of the jockeys that eased the pace too much , IMO .

We haven't seen the head on but in the side on no horse behind her got within a length.  They were initially all flat footed trying to keep up.  If as she says the horse shied and raced greenly so she took hold then we can see that from the head on.  Presumably the Stewards saw their own video but who knows with the cut in services.

[nomates]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Riders E Leighton (MERCURIAL) and R Elliot (DRUM MAJOR) were questioned regarding the steadying of the pace in the middle stages. R Elliot advised that after riding his mount forward from a wide barrier to lead he had then opted to steady when MERCURIAL was maintaining a position to his inside. E Leighton explained that after taking up a prominent position inside DRUM MAJOR once her mount had been left in front it had raced very greenly shying near the 700 metres then ducking away from the running rail near the 600 metres. The explanations of both riders were noted. T Harris (PALAMOS) – Admitted a charge in that he struck his mount PALAMOS six times prior to the 100 metres with the matter being adjourned until tomorrow race meeting at Rotorua.

 

They were both questioned about it , i'm putting it on both because they both could have ensured that the pace remained even and safe , the stipes obviously thought enough of it to question both .

My overall point is it happens far too often and riders never get more than a whisper in the ear .

When someone is seriously injured or killed then they might wake up .

[Freda]

We've all got opinions  [ me probably more than most as this is a topic very much of interest to me ]  but nothing will change; the administrators don't know enough to make change. The riding mentors don't do much that I can see, the apprentice schools seem [ overall ] to be a waste of time,   I don't want some pony club chick telling any worker of mine how to bandage a horse or put it on a float, or recognise poisonous plants that are VERY unlikely to be in my stable yard.   Judgment of pace and tactical appreciation would be a good start, but...if trainers who have apprentices haven't ridden and don't have much idea [ apart from when their bets don't come off ]  and the schools and mentors don't teach HTF are the young riders going to improve? 

The new Academy funded by the Nakhles is a great initiative, but it is only one and won't help southerners very much.

Recently a stipe cautioned a very promising rider [ not a claimer ]  for not giving a horse every opportunity.  The horse concerned was an 9 year old has-been, with not the slightest interest in improving his own position, and even less in being motivated to do the same.   Never mind the carnage going on around the pair that never got a mention.  Jeez..

[Freda]

3 minutes ago, nomates said:

They were both questioned about it , i'm putting it on both because they both could have ensured that the pace remained even and safe , the stipes obviously thought enough of it to question both .

My overall point is it happens far too often and riders never get more than a whisper in the ear .

When someone is seriously injured or killed then they might wake up .

Yeah.  The Greenies.  And we will have walked right into it.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, nomates said:

They were both questioned about it , i'm putting it on both because they both could have ensured that the pace remained even and safe , the stipes obviously thought enough of it to question both .

 

I'm waiting for the head-on.  But why did Elliot pull up?  He challenged for the lead and Leighton was willing to hand up and take a trail.  Or am I looking at it from a Harness Racing perspective where the drivers seem to have more control?

[nomates]

4 minutes ago, Freda said:

We've all got opinions  [ me probably more than most as this is a topic very much of interest to me ]  but nothing will change; the administrators don't know enough to make change. The riding mentors don't do much that I can see, the apprentice schools seem [ overall ] to be a waste of time,   I don't want some pony club chick telling any worker of mine how to bandage a horse or put it on a float, or recognise poisonous plants that are VERY unlikely to be in my stable yard.   Judgment of pace and tactical appreciation would be a good start, but...if trainers who have apprentices haven't ridden and don't have much idea [ apart from when their bets don't come off ]  and the schools and mentors don't teach HTF are the young riders going to improve? 

The new Academy funded by the Nakhles is a great initiative, but it is only one and won't help southerners very much.

Recently a stipe cautioned a very promising rider [ not a claimer ]  for not giving a horse every opportunity.  The horse concerned was an 9 year old has-been, with not the slightest interest in improving his own position, and even less in being motivated to do the same.   Never mind the carnage going on around the pair that never got a mention.  Jeez..

There used to be a time when apprentices had to have 60/70 + trial rides before even getting a ride far less 5/6 a day after having 6 trials , the problem for mine is they are rushed thru before they are ready , christ i've watched some that can't ride trackwork decent that then go to the races for half a dozen rides , seriously scary .

[nomates]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm waiting for the head-on.  But why did Elliot pull up?  He challenged for the lead and Leighton was willing to hand up and take a trail.  Or am I looking at it from a Harness Racing perspective where the drivers seem to have more control?

No that is my point , why did he , but she could quite easily held the lead as well , which he didn't want , both kept easing when one should have realized that one had to keep the pace safe . I backed Elliot's horse and i was like why not keep going , but it comes back to the same thing that we keep raising , decision making in races , most of the time poor , the rest of the time non existent .