Gammalite Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 How backwards it's getting?? when a massive Group 1 winner from Tuesday this week (OSCAR BONAVENA) is entered off 20m in a 25k trot this Friday, Race 7. While the $300,000 Dominion Trot , biggest equal Group 1 (with Rowe Cup) Trot of the year is on the same program Race 9 . That's just hilarious really. As I have been saying , the race 'should' be a Handicap (as it was for decades) SUNDEES SON should be off 30m after winning last 2 Rowe Cup's (also gifts off the front for some reason when used to be a handicap) and Sundees Son also easily winning last years Dominion in 4:00.5 record time. Mark and Hayden know they can't beat that , with SUNDEES SON drawn at No 3 off the front this Friday . so not even bothering.............. resigned to defeat. A group 1 last start winner? lol . too scared of a Group 1 . crazy things in the world these days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gammalite said: How backwards it's getting?? when a massive Group 1 winner from Tuesday this week (OSCAR BONAVENA) is entered off 20m in a 25k trot this Friday, Race 7. While the $300,000 Dominion Trot , biggest equal Group 1 (with Rowe Cup) Trot of the year is on the same program Race 9 . That's just hilarious really. As I have been saying , the race 'should' be a Handicap (as it was for decades) SUNDEES SON should be off 30m after winning last 2 Rowe Cup's (also gifts off the front for some reason when used to be a handicap) and Sundees Son also easily winning last years Dominion in 4:00.5 record time. Mark and Hayden know they can't beat that , with SUNDEES SON drawn at No 3 off the front this Friday . so not even bothering.............. resigned to defeat. A group 1 last start winner? lol . too scared of a Group 1 . crazy things in the world these days. I agree with what you have said. Oscar bon evena does seem to have been gifted that race.Good on the connections for taking advantage of that option as hes not a 2 miler.However you would have to ask questions of those that programmed the race,as clearly they have made it a non event and the handicaps they set appear to be a joke. I would also ask why would some of those in that race bother to line up. Seems extremely poor placement for many of those lesser performed horses that are set to start in a race they have no chance of winning.If form is anything to go on,those off the front have little chance of paying a dividend with the back 3 so well handicapped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, the galah said: Oscar bon evena does seem to have been gifted that race.Good on the connections for taking advantage of that option as hes not a 2 miler. OscarB is in a 2600m race off 20m so by the time he trucks on around them , might as well of been 2 miles (nearly) Sorry to harp on about handicaps. It's just a leveller. Sundees Son can trot 4.00mins incredible speed . even 10m would of given a chance for others. Would of said Majestic Man more a miler ( bit like Oscar B) than 2 miler , but he still placed last year in Dominion. Melbourne Cup , they chucked more weight on Incentivise (and Verry Elleegant) as a leveller for their impressive race records. Handicap's designed to give all a chance. I think it works mostly. They still got to be first two home in Cup anyway with class. As SUNDEES SON might still get up off 10 or 20 m handicap anyway, especially if trots 4:00 for the 2 miles again. John Dunn smiling all the way to the bank, today, right through to the race when lines up 3 off the front. The SON will be shining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gammalite said: OscarB is in a 2600m race off 20m so by the time he trucks on around them , might as well of been 2 miles (nearly) Sorry to harp on about handicaps. It's just a leveller. Sundees Son can trot 4.00mins incredible speed . even 10m would of given a chance for others. Would of said Majestic Man more a miler ( bit like Oscar B) than 2 miler , but he still placed last year in Dominion. Melbourne Cup , they chucked more weight on Incentivise (and Verry Elleegant) as a leveller for their impressive race records. Handicap's designed to give all a chance. I think it works mostly. They still got to be first two home in Cup anyway with class. As SUNDEES SON might still get up off 10 or 20 m handicap anyway, especially if trots 4:00 for the 2 miles again. John Dunn smiling all the way to the bank, today, right through to the race when lines up 3 off the front. The SON will be shining. I don't know whether he's quite as good as he has been previously,but he still looks like he should win if he gets handy early. there looks to be only 3 realistic win chances. Vacation hill is an interesting runner. If they ran it hard you would pick it to run last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Gammalite said: John Dunn smiling all the way to the bank, today, right through to the race when lines up 3 off the front. The SON will be shining. There is a Mountain to climb first and that in my opinion will be too steep for SS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Harewood said: There is a Mountain to climb first and that in my opinion will be too steep for SS I was beginning to think it had been scratched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: 3 hours ago, Harewood said: There is a Mountain to climb first and that in my opinion will be too steep for SS I was beginning to think it had been scratched there Used to be a great Song when I was a kid driving horses.... it went like this (there may be some old boys that know this tune) She'll be coming round the 'Mountain' when she comes, she'll be coming round the 'mountain' when she comes........ She'll be driving six white horses when she comes , she'll be driving six white horses when she comes. ......... You could add in ......... Johnny Dunn will be driving the Sundees Son when he wins, he'll be driving Sundees Son when he wins , He'll be leaving behind the 'mountain', leaving behind the 'mountain' , leaving behind the 'mountain' when he Wins ... and this could be JohnD with about the same 'Horse-power' that SUNDEES SON has on his own. 6 in one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Purdon always said he wasnt going to the dominion as 2 miles isn't his go and he wouldnt have enough miles for him to race in a 3200m race. Targeted the Trotters FFA, you could have even got on at 5s!! Might as well go for an easy win and earn another 13k if he wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 22 hours ago, Roman said: Purdon always said he wasnt going to the dominion as 2 miles isn't his go and he wouldnt have enough miles for him to race in a 3200m race. Targeted the Trotters FFA, you could have even got on at 5s!! Might as well go for an easy win and earn another 13k if he wins Yeah , I guess I was being a bit Harsh on them . (OscarB and Mark) Afterall, SUNDEES SON and MUSCLE MOUNTAIN didn't start in the Group 1 that Oscar Bonavena Won last Tuesday. and COPY THAT not starting in Pacers FFA either. so guess some of the good ones can 'skip' Big races if they want too. Gammalite 'never' skipped a big race lol..... nor did these three Champions below (handicapped in Australasian Trotters Championship at Moonee Valley 1981) and a NZ FIRST 4 , still came off !!! great stuff. The DOMINION Handicap winner of 1981, STORMY MORN beating the 2 previous years Trotters Interdominion winners !! Stormy Morn trotted 4.20 to win the DOMINION that year (4.25 in Rowe Cup too) So would of been beaten about 200m by SUNDEES SON in his wins in those races . lol...... Sundee is unbelievable !! Name Prizemoney Hcp Driver Margin 1 STORMY MORN $21,000 20 J O'SULLIVAN 2 NO RESPONSE $4,500 25 R J Brosnan 3 HANO DIRECT $3,000 25 D J TOWNLEY 4 KATE'S RETURN $1,500 FT J A CARMICHAEL 5 SPECIAL DOLLAR $0 FT A SIMONS 6 PROUD STELLA $0 FT W B CLARKE 7 ROYAL NANDINA $0 FT R G FORD 8 THIRD SPOT $0 FT T E DEMMLER 9 CHRISTIAN LESLIE $0 FT C L WELSH 10 JODIE ARMAGH $0 FT N G REDWOOD 11 REGULATION $0 FT B R GATH 0 EL CORDOBIES $0 FT P J Caldow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 12:08 PM, the galah said: Oscar bon evena does seem to have been gifted that race. Well you said he would win easy and he did. I retract my thread Headline here, as Mark wasn't resigned to Defeat at all. He placed the horse OscarB to Win . Mark Purdon , being the living racing legend that he is, Knew what SUNDEES SON could do (break 4.00mins for the 2 miles ) And off the front too !!!!! ????? Purdon put his horse somewhere where it wasn't gunna get 'bruised' and 'Hurt ' like all those behind SUNDEES SON (Nz record holder and Champion of the trotting World) just did, in his race. confidence shattered. Well done Mark ! (again) and Well done John ! (again) just brilliant horse driving and winning . I'm stunned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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