Freda Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The first race- or trials meet to be conducted under the 'traffic light' system. Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Several others also unavailable, including a farrier, and a swabbing-steward, not to mention other barrier staff. Some trainers won't be at the races. Sam Wynne, at this stage, is considering a life without race riding. Interesting times indeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Of course there will be many vaccinated supporters of these people who will show their support by not attending the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 5:54 AM, Freda said: The first race- or trials meet to be conducted under the 'traffic light' system. Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Several others also unavailable, including a farrier, and a swabbing-steward, not to mention other barrier staff. Danny Champion, ............., and up north, Daniel Miller are trainers who won't be at the races. Sam Wynne, at this stage, is considering a life without race riding. Interesting times indeed. Sad state of affairs, who would ever thought as a country, we'd be put into two categories, the vaccinated and the lepers, that sums it up to a tee, and obviously there's abit more push back than expected, all created by our government, who like many around the world the only answer has been the shot, no mention of early treatment, is it working one must asked, as long as some don't mind rolling their arm up every 6 months for the foreseeable, who knows what the long term effects will be, but if there is any, there's no liability apparently, Good on those for making a stand, racing struggling as it is and needs every supporter it can yet, but at the end of the day some will walk away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 5:54 AM, Freda said: The first race- or trials meet to be conducted under the 'traffic light' system. Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Several others also unavailable, including a farrier, and a swabbing-steward, not to mention other barrier staff. Danny Champion, .........., and up north, Daniel Miller are trainers who won't be at the races. Sam Wynne, at this stage, is considering a life without race riding. Interesting times indeed. I'll bet quite a few horses will sleep easy in their beds tonight knowing Sam Wynne is contemplating bowing out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: I'll bet quite a few horses will sleep easy in their beds tonight knowing Sam Wynne is contemplating bowing out. Her departure won't raise the average competency though. One less rider in a diminishing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Agree, and what of the struggling trainer waiting in the dark for a 'competent' track rider? This just goes from bad to worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Freda said: Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Top man Oggie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 Yes, time will tell how things pan out, there will no doubt be some soul searching as folk try to juggle responsibilities to clients with their personal principles, but in all, totally unnecessary to have to come to this. Surely saliva tests/ temperature checks could have fulfilled the need for safety without the fallout being seen in so many industries and businesses now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 It seems rather odd that I can't go to the races without proving I'm double vaxxed, yet I can rock up at training the next morning and mingle with the same trainers, staff and riders, no quetions asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, curious said: It seems rather odd that I can't go to the races without proving I'm double vaxxed, yet I can rock up at training the next morning and mingle with the same trainers, staff and riders, no quetions asked. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Freda said: Yes, time will tell how things pan out, there will no doubt be some soul searching as folk try to juggle responsibilities to clients with their personal principles, but in all, totally unnecessary to have to come to this. Surely saliva tests/ temperature checks could have fulfilled the need for safety without the fallout being seen in so many industries and businesses now. Saliva testing would be a much more effective option for racemeetings if NZTR and clubs want to achieve their stated objective of minimising risk to others. Double vax requirements won't do that more than slightly. In fact, it may increaase the risk to others. As the MoH says on the matter: What if I’m already vaccinated? You can still get COVID-19 if you’re vaccinated but the symptoms are likely to be very mild, or you may not have any symptoms at all. This means that if you are vaccinated and get COVID-19, you may not realise and spread it to others. Regular saliva testing can help with early detection of the virus and help keep you, your whānau and our communities safe. Edited December 1, 2021 by curious 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 hours ago, curious said: It seems rather odd that I can't go to the races without proving I'm double vaxxed, yet I can rock up at training the next morning and mingle with the same trainers, staff and riders, no quetions asked. Yes but horse welfare needs demand that all hands are on board after raceday and that takes precedence. <sarcasm font> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 5:54 AM, Freda said: The first race- or trials meet to be conducted under the 'traffic light' system. Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Several others also unavailable, including a farrier, and a swabbing-steward, not to mention other barrier staff. Some trainers won't be at the races. Sam Wynne, at this stage, is considering a life without race riding. Interesting times indeed. I believe some of the trainers that won't be at the races are Danny Champion, ......., and up north, Daniel Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I believe some of the trainers that won't be at the races are Danny Champion, ......., and up north, Daniel Miller. Didn't Freda just say that in this thread yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, curious said: Didn't Freda just say that in this thread yesterday? She said something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 5:54 AM, Freda said: The first race- or trials meet to be conducted under the 'traffic light' system. Already some fallout with the starter [ K. Leigh-Ogden ] walking away from his long term position as both starter, and crossing keeper. Several others also unavailable, including a farrier, and a swabbing-steward, not to mention other barrier staff. Danny Champion, .........., and up north, Daniel Miller are trainers who won't be at the races. Sam Wynne, at this stage, is considering a life without race riding. Interesting times indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Good ole government duped the young ones in to the jab with the old line if you want to have a summer, now the are canceling them all, I bet there be some anger over this, but realistically was it ever going to happen, also told us if your vax rates are low you begin the red, but most started in orange, ah but only to 13th December, arent they great at stringing people along and playing with their emotions, will riccarton go ahead tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostradamus Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shad said: Good ole government duped the young ones in to the jab with the old line if you want to have a summer, now the are canceling them all, I bet there be some anger over this, but realistically was it ever going to happen, also told us if your vax rates are low you begin the red, but most started in orange, ah but only to 13th December, arent they great at stringing people along and playing with their emotions, will riccarton go ahead tomorrow. It's like dangling a carrot in front of the sheeple and just as they get there nope muhahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Very good summary, what more could one say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 900,000 vaxed but haven't downloaded their vax cert. Is that some sort of measure of the anti-mandate group? Will they simply boycott businesses and events that require it? Or are they just tardy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, curious said: 900,000 vaxed but haven't downloaded their vax cert. Is that some sort of measure of the anti-mandate group? Will they simply boycott businesses and events that require it? Or are they just tardy? I know a few - they are mainly just technically challenged. That said some of them don't like the mandates at all but are also feebly compliant. Once the 15th of December arrives and the Auckland contagion is released that will be when we see some interesting statistics - case numbers will surge (assuming the vaccinated deem it worthwhile to get tested!). Although I bet case numbers will cease to be published. Don't be surprised if the entire country is under the Red traffic light by Christmas. Case number statistics will be skewed towards the unvaccinated not because of increased vulnerability by because they are the ones more likely to get tested. Afterall the vaccinated have been told they have nothing to fear!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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