Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: And then Satherley massacres his other Roc de Cambes filly Carte Blanche. Seriously though in all his years at stud what has Roc De Cambes produced? One ordinary NZ Derby winner and a Toorak winner in OZ. I was convinced he wouldn't be much good as a sire when a poster called Fasthorse (I think) a part-time trainer of murders was buying his yearlings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Unfortunately Rogie ended up with heaps of them, thus, end of........lovely horse, great pedigree, well performed in Japan, and got a Gr1 2400 horse and a fast Gr1 miler, are there better stallions, of course, but he is/was great value....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Seriously though in all his years at stud what has Roc De Cambes produced? One ordinary NZ Derby winner and a Toorak winner in OZ. I was convinced he wouldn't be much good as a sire when a poster called Fasthorse (I think) a part-time trainer of murders was buying his yearlings. A dual G1 producing sire off a $5k stud fee, I don't think anyone can have grounds for complaint when he is only being presented in the bread and butter basket, you don't have to be a genius to understand the types of mares he is attracting at that fee. Compared to the likes of Wandjina, Dissident & American Pharoah in Aus and he has performed more than favourably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: A dual G1 producing sire off a $5k stud fee, I don't think anyone can have grounds for complaint when he is only being presented in the bread and butter basket, you don't have to be a genius to understand the types of mares he is attracting at that fee. Compared to the likes of Wandjina, Dissident & American Pharoah in Aus and he has performed more than favourably. But those two G1 winners weren't spectacular. Vin De Dance for one. Plenty of bread and butter stallions produced more Stakes winners and better performers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But those two G1 winners weren't spectacular. Vin De Dance for one. Plenty of bread and butter stallions produced more Stakes winners and better performers. One won an Aus G1 and the other a Derby not bad for a sire of his magnitude. Which are these better performed bread and butter sires you speak of? As I've pointed out plenty of so called better sires, with far greater opportunity perform a lot worse than RDC has at stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Huey said: Which are these better performed bread and butter sires you speak of? Come on you can name plenty of them. Note it wasn't me that used the term bread and butter sire in the case of Roc De Cambes. What do you term a B & B sire? One that is comparatively cheap and produces heaps of winnners across average mares. Zed comes to mind. Per Incanto - started out cheap not so much now. Roc de Cambes served 14 mares in 2020, 34 - 2019, 45 - 2018 (Princess Lowry year). From the 2018 crop only 12 have hit the racetrack. Doesn't the market give a good idea of his success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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