Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said: I'm not a trainer, obviously, but I'd stick to the rich 1600-2000m races. You are not talking in NZ are you with regard to "rich"? The Derby is a G1 and worth a million. It would seem from the latest article that the Derby was always the plan. She is going to the Avondale Guineas at Ellerslie over 2100m which will give them a good gauge on the next race. Note: the Avondale Guineas is a G2 worth a not so rich $120,000. I also disagree with the Derby taking the edge off. 2400m at Ellerslie is easier than 2400m at Trentham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Fair call. I was meaning in Australia of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Chief, most fillies (but not all) get roasted in the Derby. Yes it’s a lot of money but risky for fillies as the results point out. Having said that, she is a beauty and obviously not for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Chief, most fillies (but not all) get roasted in the Derby. Yes it’s a lot of money but risky for fillies as the results point out. Having said that, she is a beauty and obviously not for sale. I agree to a point but the colts and geldings don't have an alternative e.g. the NZ Oaks. The point being you don't always get the best fillies in the Derby. I know that sounds counter intuitive but Trainers are generally risk adverse. Some very good Fillies have won the Derby: Habibi Silent Achiever Popsy Tidal Light Our Flight From what I've seen so far this season I haven't seen a really good colt or gelding emerge. We'll get a good line on La Crique in the Avondale Guineas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I agree to a point but the colts and geldings don't have an alternative e.g. the NZ Oaks. The point being you don't always get the best fillies in the Derby. I know that sounds counter intuitive but Trainers are generally risk adverse. Some very good Fillies have won the Derby: Habibi Silent Achiever Popsy Tidal Light Our Flight From what I've seen so far this season I haven't seen a really good colt or gelding emerge. We'll get a good line on La Crique in the Avondale Guineas. Agree, there isn't really a standout colt yet for the Derby , could emerge in the Avondale Guineas. Seems like this years race could be won be anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Huey said: Agree, there isn't really a standout colt yet for the Derby , could emerge in the Avondale Guineas. Seems like this years race could be won be anything. The way Tutukaka finished of his last race and having that Aussie campaign under his belt he looks very tough. Had a little nibble at White Noise a few weeks back, don't know if he has the class but a tough tradesman type and that can often be enough to get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, nomates said: The way Tutukaka finished of his last race and having that Aussie campaign under his belt he looks very tough. Had a little nibble at White Noise a few weeks back, don't know if he has the class but a tough tradesman type and that can often be enough to get the job done. I thought Tutukaka was very disappointing in OZ....I guess thats why he's back in NZ. There didn't seem like much class in the Victorian Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: I thought Tutukaka was very disappointing in OZ....I guess thats why he's back in NZ. There didn't seem like much class in the Victorian Derby. Mate did you see the horse that won it , that was class , and the preparation that he did it on. Tutukaka went fair over there, but as we know that form can still be lengths better then here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Winner was good. Lets see if the form is franked. I thought it was a weak field. Profondo in Sydney looked much classier imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 49 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Winner was good. Lets see if the form is franked. I thought it was a weak field. Profondo in Sydney looked much classier imo. That's the clash everyone wants. It was a weak field for sure but treated them with disdain . But 3/4 months on a spring 3yo can bring a lot of changes so it is going to be interesting for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just looked at the noms for Saturday at both Sydney and Melbourne , exciting , the Autumn carnivals have started . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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