the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Gammalite said: But surprisingly, she has had only 1 win in the past year, even with all this 'Beach magic B/S ' that you read about here and there, from the harness conspirators/ distractors. "Even with all this beach magic bullshit that you read about here and there from harness conspirators and distractors". I might have missed it,but on this forum isn't the chief the only one talking about that? So i don't think thats a subject getting much traction on here. The one thing i would say is when it comes to being accurate about that type of thing,then this forum has been accurate in discussing beforehand,those eventually proved to have breached the rules in recent times,with the obvious exception of the all stars.And that type of talk around that stable has gone quiet recently. I would suggest people have greater confidence in the RIU being pro active and doing their job than what they used to have.I say keep up the good work RIU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, the galah said: I would suggest people have greater confidence in the RIU being pro active and doing their job than what they used to have.I say keep up the good work RIU. Mark P and Robert D (just like anyone else) have had minor penalties in the past . Fully agree with you that the RIU are doing a great job , and I think the sport is fairly clean . compared to last century anyway. I saw elephant juice days (see Laurie Connell Perth Cup , they had to carry the horse off the track) makes your blood run cold . And a heap of milkshakes . (swear on mothers grave , never gave one myself though) and any amount of methods to get a win. Galloping guys Far worse than any harness guys. Fine Cotton ? lol....... Chief is saying the Dunn horses are improving AFTER they leave the stable so think he is on our side really , not like Happy and rival jealous owners who see stuff that isnt there. Am sure the swabs are taken from Sundees Son and stablemates the same as anyone else , and if a stupid Alford type character comes along trying to flaunt the rules . Give em 7 years !!!! well done RIU (agree with you) !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, the galah said: I would suggest people have greater confidence in the RIU being pro active and doing their job than what they used to have.I say keep up the good work RIU. I don't believe much has changed nor are they truly proactive or transparent enough. It doesn't appear the new regime or leadership has changed much at all. INCA has returned ZIP. Kerr's misdemeanour was something better systems at HRNZ should have caught if not prevented. So who are we left with - Alford. Meanwhile we await charges for Wigg and Jones. How long is that going to take? Now if they really wanted to send a message why not publicly say - "In light of the form improvement of Stella's Delight the RIB is reviewing betting records and has taken blood, urine and hair samples. We wish to be clear that there is no evidence of any wrongdoing to substantiate any of the claims made on social media. Results will be published in 14 days." Statement from HRNZ - "We wish to advise licensed stakeholders that the unsubstantiated speculation and rumour mongering does not benefit Harness Racing. We are in constant communication with the RIB and have trust in their integrity monitoring systems." Now that's proactive and positive. The current approach isn't either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: "Even with all this beach magic bullshit that you read about here and there from harness conspirators and distractors". A prominent owner on another channel has openly accused the Dunn's of doping by strong inference. Hence @Gammalite and my facetious comments about the two mares racing on Saturday having improved lengths AFTER leaving the Woodend Beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: A prominent owner on another channel has openly accused the Dunn's of doping by strong inference. Hence @Gammalite and my facetious comments about the two mares racing on Saturday having improved lengths AFTER leaving the Woodend Beach. I know you haven't suggested anything untoward, i guess you have just been drumming up a bit of a talking point which hasn't taken off. I'm not sure off n gone and spellbound have improved lengths after leaving the dunn stable. Maybe they just aren't racing the calibre of opposition they were when racing here. Dean braun had a positive for a synthetic hormone back in 2007,then wasn't he one of those trainers let got a relation to train instead for a few years,then made a comeback and got a cobalt positive. So if your suggesting the CEO of HRNZ still owns off n gone,then don't you have to ask what does that say? I mean brauns record tells you something surely Edited February 1, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, the galah said: So if your suggesting the CEO of HRNZ still owns off n gone,then don't you have to ask what does that say? I mean brauns record tells you something surely Not suggesting it - it's a fact. Brauns record doesn't tell me anything. Name one leading trainer in either horse code that hasn't returned a positive to something in their career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Not suggesting it - it's a fact. Brauns record doesn't tell me anything. Name one leading trainer in either horse code that hasn't returned a positive to something in their career? Brauns record doesn't tell you anything. Well that about sums up your view on the topic. Off the top of my head greg and nina hope, michael house ,tony herlihy,nathan williamson all top 10 trainers who i can't recall having any positives.If they have well they would be like ken barron and phil williamson who may have had a positive but only in circumstances that people understand there was no intention to cheat. No doubt many other top trainers if you wanted to go through the list. Edited February 1, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: A prominent owner on another channel has openly accused the Dunn's of doping by strong inference. Hence @Gammalite and my facetious comments about the two mares racing on Saturday having improved lengths AFTER leaving the Woodend Beach. Does the prominent owner publish his name or hide behind the pine hedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Unhinged said: Does the prominent owner publish his name or hide behind the pine hedge. He has made it quite clear who he is. Can't help himself as he is blinded by his crusade. The article that he posted from the Black Horse Newsletter I admit I did weep when reading. Tears of laughter! 🤣 It is absolute bollocks! When I get time I'll pull it to shreds. I wouldn't be surprised if it initiates some law suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, the galah said: Brauns record doesn't tell you anything. Well that about sums up your view on the topic. He had a positive in 2007 - not sure what to. A positive to Bute in 2014. Name a major trainer that hasn't had one of those. 2017 - Cobalt one horse went over the threshold - quite frankly that isn't worth mentioning. The Feds got that all so very wrong in both codes. In 2018 I think it was he got fined for calling Adam Hamilton "a dirty grub". His record is better than most trainers and worse than a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, the galah said: If they have well they would be like ken barron and phil williamson who may have had a positive but only in circumstances that people understand there was no intention to cheat. No doubt many other top trainers if you wanted to go through the list. Sorry according to some exclusive moral compass you can determine who made a mistake and who cheated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 So @the galah what dope is Tony Herlihy currently using? Afterall he has a UDR better than the Dunn's at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sorry according to some exclusive moral compass you can determine who made a mistake and who cheated? Each case is different Chief. All the factors involved need to be looked at. There's been plenty of Cobalt controversy , we had the Te Akau cow paddock , we had ICE in a Waller runner or 2 , Caffiene in some Dunn runners, theres a few steroids floating around .....and don't forget ... a cherry on top lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: He had a positive in 2007 - not sure what to. A positive to Bute in 2014. Name a major trainer that hasn't had one of those. 2017 - Cobalt one horse went over the threshold - quite frankly that isn't worth mentioning. The Feds got that all so very wrong in both codes. In 2018 I think it was he got fined for calling Adam Hamilton "a dirty grub". His record is better than most trainers and worse than a few. 2007 a synthetic hormone. Reports at the time said he wasn't happy authorities didn't tell him they had developed a new test for it.Bute,every prominent trainer has one of those according to you,cobalt...thats a nothing according to you....In fact going by your logic all the above bears the hallmark of a leading trainer. Sounds like just the fella to train one for you if you want chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gammalite said: we had the Te Akau cow paddock O'Sullivan and the trough. Te Akau was contaminated hay with poppies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sorry according to some exclusive moral compass you can determine who made a mistake and who cheated? Not exclusive moral compass,just read the JCA reports on them. Everyone has their own opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: He has made it quite clear who he is. Can't help himself as he is blinded by his crusade. The article that he posted from the Black Horse Newsletter I admit I did weep when reading. Tears of laughter! 🤣 It is absolute bollocks! When I get time I'll pull it to shreds. I wouldn't be surprised if it initiates some law suits. Nothing surprises me taking your name off ownerships etc to try and avoid litigation by HRNZ tells me who really has something to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, the galah said: Bute,every prominent trainer has one of those according to you,cobalt...thats a nothing according to you....In fact going by your logic all the above bears the hallmark of a leading trainer. Sounds like just the fella to train one for you if you want chief. Bute is one of the most used anti-inflammatories in any stable. It isn't a prohibited substance except for raceday and has a withholding period. There are many many cases of mistakes with withholding times and or cross contamination. So Braun has had one mistake with bute in nearly 20 years? He had one Cobalt threshold case. I'm not going to relitigate the Cobalt saga. It's been a stuff up all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, the galah said: Not exclusive moral compass,just read the JCA reports on them. Everyone has their own opinion. But you can determine who cheats and who makes a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So @the galah what dope is Tony Herlihy currently using? Afterall he has a UDR better than the Dunn's at the moment. What is that comment about.If your going to reply to me,don't infer i have said something when i have said the opposite. And i've never commented on the dunn stable. So again,whats that about? Whats clear by this thread is the chief is trying to get someone to take the bait and say something negative about the dunn stable on this forum,so the chief can defend them. But that hasn't happened so it seems to have developed into a strange conversation with me. So in the words of that programme dragons den...I'm out chief. Edited February 1, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, the galah said: What is that comment about.If your going to reply to me,don't infer i have said something when i have said the opposite. And i've never commented on the dunn stable. So again,whats that about? Whats clear by this thread is the chief is trying to get someone to take the bait and say something negative about the dunn stable on this forum,so the chief can defend them. But it seems to have developed into a strange conversation with me. So in the words of that programme dragons den...I'm out chief. Hang on a minute @the galah you may not have had a direct stab at the Dunn's but you did have a go at Woodham choosing Braun. @Gammalite and I were facetiously commenting on the fact that two horses left Woodend and improved lengths in OZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Unhinged said: Nothing surprises me taking your name off ownerships etc to try and avoid litigation by HRNZ tells me who really has something to hide. I think he has fallen down a conspiracy rabbit hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 14 hours ago, Unhinged said: Nothing surprises me taking your name off ownerships etc to try and avoid litigation by HRNZ tells me who really has something to hide. Why hide behind private forums if you are so sure that what you post is correct? Freedom of Speech as we know comes with some degree of accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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