Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, the galah said: I don't know why the chief seems to have strong feelings around the RIU,he seems to take on a grizz wylie type persona when attacking the RIU.Thats just the way he sees things and probably just reflects his actual character. Well you are wrong again Galah. My criticism is that contrary to your opinion the fact is they aren't doing their job and what they are doing they aren't doing very well!! 45 minutes ago, the galah said: Besides,the louder the criticism there is towards the RIU,the more you know they are actually doing their job well. Its their job to police the integrity side,and you don't make friends amongst those who transgress the rules.They just have to be respectful in how they handle the individuals involved. And that has to work both ways as well. Explain to me how the Anderson case is a good example of the RIU (RIB) doing their job well? You seem to want a bob each way Galah. On the one hand you say the RIB is doing a great job yet on the other you adhere to and promote the conspiracy that PED use is rife in the industry. If the latter is the case then surely it follows that the RIB are incompetent and their testing regime is flawed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You seem to want a bob each way Galah. On the one hand you say the RIB is doing a great job yet on the other you adhere to and promote the conspiracy that PED use is rife in the industry. If the latter is the case then surely it follows that the RIB are incompetent and their testing regime is flawed!! Well your again saying i have said the use of performance enhancers is rife,and i again will tell you i have never said that. Maybe one day that might get through. And again i say your wrong when you say that testing can pick up the use of all performance enhancers.I have referred to the US cases many times,but you just completely ignore whatever evidence there is which proves your wrong,so i realise its a a waste of time trying to convince you. As to Anderson. Well you can extoll the virtues of someone who supplies class b drugs to others,who assaults and chokes a woman. But to me the bloke needed and deserved a period away from harness racing to reflect on life,and the choices he made,which put him in that position. And of course in my opinion hes not a driver i would trust from a punting perspective,as i don't think he was always honest. Thats my opinion. And people can change,so if he comes back then good luck to him,but he wouldn't be the top of my list as a trainer or driver until i had seen a long period of consistent honesty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 You make some good points Chief, but with Anderson you are overlooking the fact that he was found guilty of attempted strangulation and assault and was certainly not discharged without conviction on this charge. You say HRNZ should tighten up thier systems to make it impossible for people like Kerr to commit fraud. Please explain what you would do to achieve this foolproof system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Robalan said: You make some good points Chief, but with Anderson you are overlooking the fact that he was found guilty of attempted strangulation and assault and was certainly not discharged without conviction on this charge. He got 3 months community detention and 12 months intensive supervision. He has completed those sentences. Why should he be punished any more? Many young people get caught up in the party drug scene and make mistakes. Indeed in other sports there has been similar cases where the offender has received less punishment. That doesn't excuse Anderson's behaviour however to continue to punish him is unjust in my opinion. 19 minutes ago, Robalan said: You say HRNZ should tighten up thier systems to make it impossible for people like Kerr to commit fraud. Please explain what you would do to achieve this foolproof system How hard is it to register every owners share in a horse and count that it doesn't add up to more than 100%? Likewise with the insurance - make it a condition to register any pecuniary interest in a horse with HRNZ. That would help resolve bad debt issues as well. Simple. Should have been put in place years ago. Protects all the newbies into the industry as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: As to Anderson. Well you can extoll the virtues of someone who supplies class b drugs to others,who assaults and chokes a woman. But to me the bloke needed and deserved a period away from harness racing to reflect on life,and the choices he made,which put him in that position. I haven't extolled his virtues at any point. However I believe in giving a young person a chance after they have erred. I'm also aware of and not naive to the fact that the drugs he supplied to other licensed horsemen are abundant in our society. I'm also cognisant of the fact that the assault charge occurred after he was put under extreme pressure by the ex-cops from the RIU. That isn't an excuse for his behaviour but it does highlight one of the issues I have with the current culture within the RIB. 1 hour ago, the galah said: And of course in my opinion hes not a driver i would trust from a punting perspective,as i don't think he was always honest. Thats my opinion. I would as he is a class driver and potentially a very good trainer. He wasn't always on the wrong side. https://www.facebook.com/124364354264770/posts/1339548156079711/ I guess if you are consistent you won't be punting on anything Natalie Rasmussen drives either. After all she was the buyer/user of Anderson's supply. Not exactly a young person is she? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 The HRNZ rules state that any change of ownership for any horse must be regustered with them, immediately. However if owners do not register a change of ownership, because they may want to,say, wait to find out if the horse is any good before they pay out the cange of ownership fee. How are HRNZ to know if the owner shown on their records is not rgthe person who actually owns the horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robalan said: The HRNZ rules state that any change of ownership for any horse must be regustered with them, immediately. However if owners do not register a change of ownership, because they may want to,say, wait to find out if the horse is any good before they pay out the cange of ownership fee. How are HRNZ to know if the owner shown on their records is not rgthe person who actually owns the horse. Have you heard of making records available to see online? They do it with motor vehicles. As for delaying the payment of the change of ownership fee that seems a false economy given the protection it would give you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Records are available on line Chief, visit the HRNZ website and you will be able to see who is loaded as owner of any horse you might be interested in. As for saving the transfer fee, you would be surprised at how many horses suddenly change ownership just before they go to the trials for the first time. In contrast you will be able to find many instances of horses sold at the yearling sales, which still show the breeder as owner even up to several years later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I guess if you are consistent you won't be punting on anything Natalie Rasmussen drives either. After all she was the buyer/user of Anderson's supply. Not exactly a young person is she? Go to the right hairdresser and ask them Edited February 15, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, the galah said: Go to the right hairdresser and ask them What has happened with his charges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 57 minutes ago, Rangatira said: What has happened with his charges? If we have a conversation about that its likely to be "cut short". Do you know what aaron white commented after he saw dave mcdonald come out of the hairdresser. "Hes all dressed up with no hair to go". 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 The word is that the horses returned clear tests. I guess this is going to be another case of "in possession of a dangerous weapon" i.e. a syringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 12:46 PM, Chief Stipe said: The word is that the horses returned clear tests. I guess this is going to be another case of "in possession of a dangerous weapon" i.e. a syringe. I think Cam Jones has got a lot of other things to worry about at the moment. Things that would make doping a horse a minor indiscretian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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