wally Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 whats the story with the all weather tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, wally said: whats the story with the all weather tracks They are all weather...you're welcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said: They are all weather...you're welcome thanks will they be under cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I see on 'another' site that people are saying one of the new tracks will be at Cambridge...are they meaning on the present training track property? Isnt one of the reasons that we need new tracks is to provide a consistant racing surface...? If thats the case is there another property somewhere in Cambridge to put a new track, stands, infrastructure on? Does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 It's going in at existing, training and race day. Typical half arse NZ way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Because Shane Jones does not have the money. Say be luck if get two tracks. Edited July 29, 2018 by Gospel of Judas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Curious, you are probably the most read, about the technicalities of the different all weather/synthetic track types. How about doing a summary for the good people on BOAY What each type is, relative costs, pros and cons of each, who has each type of track I've been under the impression that Strathayr is the standard, but perhaps not. A point I thought relevant, if you are trying to sell it the people who have to pay for it, us. Then to all intents and purposes, Strathayr is a turf track, no different in look to what we already have, whereas the other synthetics, look quite different Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 22 hours ago, hesi said: Curious, you are probably the most read, about the technicalities of the different all weather/synthetic track types. How about doing a summary for the good people on BOAY What each type is, relative costs, pros and cons of each, who has each type of track I've been under the impression that Strathayr is the standard, but perhaps not. A point I thought relevant, if you are trying to sell it the people who have to pay for it, us. Then to all intents and purposes, Strathayr is a turf track, no different in look to what we already have, whereas the other synthetics, look quite different Thanks I appreciate your confidence Hesi but I am no expert on synthetic tracks. I know a bit about Strathayr's, not much about the other synthetics except that most of those laid in the US have been torn up. Some pretty quickly. Go ahead organisations like Keeneland are willing to try things that seem innovative and sound but also willing to revert if they don't work, so are a good example. They did the same thing with takeouts last year, proved themselves wrong, and corrected promptly. http://www.drf.com/news/keeneland-rolls-back-some-takeout-increases-spring-meet I don't understand why we are suddenly talking about synthetics here. I think they are a disaster waiting to happen but hopefully we'll get more info soon on what the plan is and the rationale. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Thanks You can see it is a disaster waiting to unfold, they will go with a synthetic track and it will be a disaster. I have a scientific background, and my thoughts were that Strathayr made the most sense, in fact all the sense, but then a few have put up arguments against it, so I'm a bit lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Saw an interesting tweet on Twitter the other day where a horse had been affected by toxins from the synthetic track in Australia. Will try and find the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Michael De Pasquale @Mickdepas FollowFollow @Mickdepas More Replying to @RacingPedigrees 2 massive issues as I see it. One is the syntho. Horses inhaling this poison & pulling up rough. Far too many of these meetings. Two, we need restricted grade for 58, 64 & 70. The BM system is just not working in its current form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Kristen Manning @RacingPedigrees FollowingFollowing @RacingPedigrees More Kristen Manning Retweeted Anna Sutton we've had one sold to Qld as no races for him in Vic, another spelling to recover from the stuff she inhaled on the synthetic; two others who have no suitable races for week. I am well and truly over the synthetic obsession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, hesi said: Thanks You can see it is a disaster waiting to unfold, they will go with a synthetic track and it will be a disaster. I have a scientific background, and my thoughts were that Strathayr made the most sense, in fact all the sense, but then a few have put up arguments against it, so I'm a bit lost Prior to the Cox Plate at Mooney Valley they race on a Friday night..then the next day again. I've seen it piss down there overnight after the Friday races but the track is great the next day! Never a suggestion of abandoning...thats a Strathayr, so to me there is no question what NZ racing should get....but has anyone been asked for an opinion? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kopia said: Prior to the Cox Plate at Mooney Valley they race on a Friday night..then the next day again. I've seen it piss down there overnight after the Friday races but the track is great the next day! Never a suggestion of abandoning...thats a Strathayr, so to me there is no question what NZ racing should get....but has anyone been asked for an opinion? Quite correct Kopia. They are an advanced form of turf track, altogether different from synthetics. That said, they rely on superior drainage for the type of performance you see at the likes of Mooney Valley. I'm not sure that will be feasible at some existing major NZ venues like Awapuni or Ellerslie which are built in swampy holes. Good for moisture retention and summer racing when established in pre-irrigation days, but now pretty much hopeless a lot of the year. Ideally, they'd seek out new venues for Strathayr's if they are economically feasible but I'm not aware of any feasibility studies having been done in NZ for them or any other type of AWT. As I said, I have no idea where this idea of synthetics has suddenly emerged from. Hopefully, we will all be enlightened shortly. If it had been up to me we would have been building a Strathayr every year or two for the last 15 years but NZTR in their wisdom chose to waste all their money on stakes and spend nothing on track infrastructure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hesi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I think there is no doubt about the need to move tracks in NZ to a a better track surface, as you have mentioned Curious, they should have been putting one in each year. But a move to anything but a turf surface is a bridge too far, and could potentially be a total failure which the industry cannot afford to have happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 59 minutes ago, hesi said: I think there is no doubt about the need to move tracks in NZ to a a better track surface, as you have mentioned Curious, they should have been putting one in each year. But a move to anything but a turf surface is a bridge too far, and could potentially be a total failure which the industry cannot afford to have happen there is already dissent in Oz about the number of synthetic track meetings versus turf and nominations are down for synthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just to be clear, as you appear to have quite a bit of knowledge, I presume they do not class the Strathayr as synthetic. Eagle Farm was Strathayr and went horribly wrong, anyone know why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) racenet.com.au/news/more-eagle-farm-track-queries-as-officials-test-new-sand-20180216 justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/eagle-farm-to-be-closed-indefinitely/387329 Edited July 30, 2018 by FeelTheFear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 As per this article then, looks like Eagle farm was not Strathayr, but Evergreen Turf A timely reminder then about trying to re-invent the wheel https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/evergreen-turf-wins-multimilliondollar-contract-for-eagle-farm-track-redevelopment/news-story/f8aca7cfa369ac6f44a522eb514746e2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, hesi said: Just to be clear, as you appear to have quite a bit of knowledge, I presume they do not class the Strathayr as synthetic. Eagle Farm was Strathayr and went horribly wrong, anyone know why Strathayr isn't a synthetic track it is a turf based SYSTEM. The only "synthetic" aspect is the use of plastic mesh within the soil/root zone which provides artificial soil structure and stability. Also aids drainage. Eagle farm made a number of mistakes. That is also a risk for NZ - do we have the expertise? Probably not so we will have to import it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 30/07/2018 at 12:01 AM, FeelTheFear said: Kristen Manning @RacingPedigrees FollowingFollowing @RacingPedigrees More Kristen Manning Retweeted Anna Sutton we've had one sold to Qld as no races for him in Vic, another spelling to recover from the stuff she inhaled on the synthetic; two others who have no suitable races for week. I am well and truly over the synthetic obsession. NZ oulawed synthetic cannabis back in 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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