mikeynz Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Once in the days the on course jackpots used to create massive interest as the pools got bigger, would they attract people on course today ? Maybe run on Saturdays only, maybe pick 6 winners or maybe with smaller races and fields maybe the first two, only run on the meetings being run on saturday so maybe 5 or 6 races from each meeting, as the pools grow the motivation to be on course grows, one only has to see how winning and then defending the Ranfurly shield can do for the holder, it's a cash cow,. Maybe to engage people off course maybe a 10 dollar restriction on a bet on your account, if you ain't got one , tough luck, you have to be on course, lotto grows in interest as the pools grow, why cant racing do the same ? Two things that attract people to create interest, piss and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 hours ago, mikeynz said: Once in the days the on course jackpots used to create massive interest as the pools got bigger, would they attract people on course today ? Maybe run on Saturdays only, maybe pick 6 winners or maybe with smaller races and fields maybe the first two, only run on the meetings being run on saturday so maybe 5 or 6 races from each meeting, as the pools grow the motivation to be on course grows, one only has to see how winning and then defending the Ranfurly shield can do for the holder, it's a cash cow,. Maybe to engage people off course maybe a 10 dollar restriction on a bet on your account, if you ain't got one , tough luck, you have to be on course, lotto grows in interest as the pools grow, why cant racing do the same ? Two things that attract people to create interest, piss and money. There would be no interest these days. On course crowds are far too small to get anything like that moving. It would probably only grow by $2,000 to $4,000 per meeting in the early days. On course turnover is about 5 times smaller at most meetings than it used to be. Taking inflation into account it should obviously be much bigger than it used to be. You have to remember in the days of the on course jackpots there were no big off course pools. No trifectas, first fours etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 NZ racing acts like it doesn't want crowds there at any rate , so couldn't see them bothering with something to get crowds on course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Antique idea well past its use by date. Just go buy a lotto ticket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: Antique idea well past its use by date. Just go buy a lotto ticket. But you wouldn't have a clue, I know a bloke who set himself up for life after winning a couple of six figure jackpots. It wasn't uncommon to see 20,000 or more patrons on course and queues stretching far and wide seeking jackpot forms in the early 70's. Lotto is for the pathologically naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, billy connolly said: But you wouldn't have a clue, I know a bloke who set himself up for life after winning a couple of six figure jackpots. It wasn't uncommon to see 20,000 or more patrons on course and queues stretching far and wide seeking jackpot forms in the early 70's. Lotto is for the pathologically naive. That was 50 years ago. There was no such thing as lotto then, and no big off course pools, and no way to watch races unless you were on course. It wouldn't work these days. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Doomed said: That was 50 years ago. There was no such thing as lotto then, and no big off course pools, and no way to watch races unless you were on course. It wouldn't work these days. No lotto ? how about Art Union, Golden Kiwi, Tatts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, nod said: No lotto ? how about Art Union, Golden Kiwi, Tatts ? I don't think you could win a million or more in those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Week in week out the main quaddie in Melbourne has a pool of $1million plus....you only need 4 numbers...yes I know its split between how many win...same as lotto and..jackpots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Doomed said: It wouldn't work these days. The DIA/Gambling Act wouldn't allow it to work, illegal under current legislation. 3 hours ago, Doomed said: I don't think you could win a million or more in those. Wasn't far off a million and 800k back then was serious money. 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Week in week out the main quaddie in Melbourne has a pool of $1million plus....you only need 4 numbers...yes I know its split between how many win...same as lotto and..jackpots. Yes but jackpots were originally 10 cents per unit with minimal take-out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Doomed said: I don't think you could win a million or more in those. The Golden Kiwi was $60,000 but you could buy a house for $12,000 and a pie...for 10c. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, curious said: Antique idea well past its use by date. Just go buy a lotto ticket. You maybe right but look at it this way, when lotto powerball starts getting up in the big prize how many more people get involved, ? What does racing do to attract more interest or does it just sit back and say everything's hunky dory. I know lots that buy lotto, but racing, nagh not interested. Competition is healthy, see it's happening in the sports rights for tv, sky have premier league back, Edited February 17, 2022 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 hours ago, mikeynz said: You maybe right but look at it this way, when lotto powerball starts getting up in the big prize how many more people get involved, ? What does racing do to attract more interest or does it just sit back and say everything's hunky dory. I know lots that buy lotto, but racing, nagh not interested. Competition is healthy, see it's happening in the sports rights for tv, sky have premier league back, What about an off course bet type where you have to select the last six winners at a given meeting and it jackpots if not struck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 If you want to replicate the old jackpot style bet then that's the way to do it but it would be hopeless these days to do it oncourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: If you want to replicate the old jackpot style bet then that's the way to do it but it would be hopeless these days to do it oncourse. I was being a bit sarcastic. I was describing the pick 6, which I presume has been scrapped. I don't recall seeing it mentioned for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bid Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doomed said: I was being a bit sarcastic. I was describing the pick 6, which I presume has been scrapped. I don't recall seeing it mentioned for a while. Pick 6 is still going, but they are always terminating and don't jackpot. I never bother with them any more but would always look at having a go when they jackpotted, either code. I would love to see a bet type where it is hard to get and can keep jackpoting for weeks on end, triple trio didn't quite make the cut here but what about a quinella in 5 races in a row or pick the whole card. Just something to get some big pools to get people coming back in to the TAB and getting involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 11 hours ago, holy ravioli said: The Golden Kiwi was $60,000 but you could buy a house for $12,000 and a pie...for 10c. According to this website https://natlib.govt.nz/records/23100793 there were approx half a dozen million dollar Golden Kiwi draws in the late 80's and many of half a million or more. One $600,000 draw was won by the a 10 person syndicate of Canterbury racing enthusiasts including trainer Garth Jackson. A million in 1989 wouldn't have got you a house, it would've got you the whole street! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 In the 60's it was 60k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 9:05 PM, holy ravioli said: Week in week out the main quaddie in Melbourne has a pool of $1million plus....you only need 4 numbers...yes I know its split between how many win...same as lotto and..jackpots. 1.4 million in the quaddie pool, and you win 1100 hundred bucks, nice to win anything and yes upsets do happen but the big pools like lotto attract people who might only get interested if the pools get larger,racing I reckon needs something that is reserved for saturdays only that keeps growing until struck Interesting looking at the lotto prize pool, and that's not the powerball pool wednesdays usually around 2.5 million Saturdays around 3.3 million, simple fact the weekend is the time more people spend, racing would be the same, dangling a big carrot would engage more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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