Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, Davis said: I don't think the horse would have fallen in that situation as room to take evasive action. Poor decision. Ready I Am wasn't even in a gap between Prince Teka and the galloping Aiguille. Couldn't Wakelin see the galloping Aiguille coming back onto it? There was plenty of time and room to go inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Enquiry about what? To achieve what? Decades ago they wouldve had an enquiry and It wouldve been ousted!!! They dont like enquiries as they take up time and involves work! We couldnt possibly have that? Petronella Gee would not have won if it hadnt barged thru the non existent gap! What the stipes are saying is that it is ok to break the rules and it doesnt actually affect the race result! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: Decades ago they wouldve had an enquiry and It wouldve been ousted!!! What rules? 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: Petronella Gee would not have won if it hadnt barged thru the non existent gap! How could it have gone through a gap that didn't exist? That aside Prince Teka was tiring badly and a gap emerged for Petronelli Gee. Orange mistimed it by a split second otherwise would have got through without interference. There is no way that Ready I Am would have taken that gap nor the one between Prince Teka and Aiguille as the latter was moving out. Look at the video and you can see that Ready I Am is essentially on the back of the galloping Aiguille - a top driver would have seen that horse galloping early and have gone inside it as soon as it started moving out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, Brodie said: Decades ago they wouldve had an enquiry and It wouldve been ousted!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What rules? How could it have gone through a gap that didn't exist? That aside Prince Teka was tiring badly and a gap emerged for Petronelli Gee. Orange mistimed it by a split second otherwise would have got through without interference. There is no way that Ready I Am would have taken that gap nor the one between Prince Teka and Aiguille as the latter was moving out. Look at the video and you can see that Ready I Am is essentially on the back of the galloping Aiguille - a top driver wouldhave seen that horse galloping early and have gone inside it as soon as it started moving out. Chief, do not knowwhat the exact rule said but I do know the siren wouldve gone! I believe that Petronella Gee would been out! It is blatantly stupid that you can carve up a horse and no enquiry whatsoever! The driver can be suspended and fined for cheating or driving recklessly and yet no enquiry?? Just dumb rule like the current and previous whip rule! What is the current job of the stipes? To tell us what we can all see?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, Brodie said: Chief, do not knowwhat the exact rule said but I do know the siren wouldve gone! I believe that Petronella Gee would been out! It is blatantly stupid that you can carve up a horse and no enquiry whatsoever! The driver can be suspended and fined for cheating or driving recklessly and yet no enquiry?? Just dumb rule like the current and previous whip rule! What is the current job of the stipes? To tell us what we can all see?. Slightly off topic (highly unusual for me (and you)) but what did you think of the 2nd at The Bridge the other night ? Race 2 SENZ HANDICAP TROT SIR HENRY CASTLETON - held up rounding the final bend. THANK YOU - trotted roughly rounding the final bend. THE HULK - started from an incorrect unruly barrier position on 20m after Driver J Stormont was late in turning KELVINZ LUCK into position. Stewards were satisfied that Driver J Abernethy was not at fault. Stewards were also satisfied that neither horse started in advance of its correct barrier position and did not gain any advantage. Weakened rounding the final bend. KELVINZ LUCK - Driver J Stormont admitted a breach under Rule 859(2) in that he allowed his horse to start from an incorrect unruly barrier position. After hearing submissions on Penalty, the Adjudicative Committee imposed a fine of $400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: is the you in the back ground in the leather andie cap condom head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, Brodie said: Chief, do not knowwhat the exact rule said but I do know the siren wouldve gone! I believe that Petronella Gee would been out! It is blatantly stupid that you can carve up a horse and no enquiry whatsoever! The driver can be suspended and fined for cheating or driving recklessly and yet no enquiry?? Just dumb rule like the current and previous whip rule! What is the current job of the stipes? To tell us what we can all see?. Right so the essence of your argument is that there should have been an inquiry into the placings. Petronelli Gee should have been disqualified for crowding the tiring horse Prince Teka. I guess you wanted Aiguille disqualified too? 99 times out of 100 Ready I Am wouldn't have fallen. A top driver would have steered clear of Aiguille and ducked down to the rail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Right so the essence of your argument is that there should have been an inquiry into the placings. Petronelli Gee should have been disqualified for crowding the tiring horse Prince Teka. I guess you wanted Aiguille disqualified too? 99 times out of 100 Ready I Am wouldn't have fallen. A top driver would have steered clear of Aiguille and ducked down to the rail. Reading most of your posts on this topic without saying it you're basically saying Phillipa Wakelin is a average driver and her driving skills or lack there of were the reason her horse died on Saturday. Why wasn't she charged then with incompetent driving or lack of control of her horse then? Split second decision making from a owner/driver will never be as quick as an AGH or DD but that's the industry we are in where 90% are part timer's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: is the you in the back ground in the leather andie cap condom head I was taking the photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dougie said: Split second decision making from a owner/driver will never be as quick as an AGH or DD but that's the industry we are in where 90% are part timer's So why hammer the Professional top driver who made a split second decision and won? Orange couldn't see Ready I Am. All he could see was a tiring Prince Teka while he had a handful of horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dougie said: Why wasn't she charged then with incompetent driving or lack of control of her horse then? Split second decision making from a owner/driver will never be as quick as an AGH or DD but that's the industry we are in where 90% are part timer's. Sometimes VEry hard to dodge a galloping horse coming back in your face. They get very wayward. As i said you blokes should look at the video of the main trot on Friday Race 6 (same night as Philippa's sad incident) and see the reaction time of BEN HOPE driving the winner . Baxter galloped 100m after the start , and Ben all but hit his stablemate , because as you say reaction times are SPLIT SECOND . I thought Midnight Dash nearly went off stride taking evasive action. Things happen Very Quickly when something 'gallops' in the field. No good charging people with incompetent driving in IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dougie said: Reading most of your posts on this topic without saying it you're basically saying Phillipa Wakelin is a average driver and her driving skills or lack there of were the reason her horse died on Saturday. No what I am saying is she didn't have full control of her horse and she took the wrong option given what she could see in front of her. Aiguille was galloping and running OUT. The fact the horse broke its rear hind leg is bad luck. Note not the leg that hit the wheel of either Aiguille or Prince Teka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Sometimes VEry hard to dodge a galloping horse coming back in your face. They get very wayward. As i said you blokes should look at the video of the main trot on Friday Race 6 (same night as Philippa's sad incident) and see the reaction time of BEN HOPE driving the winner . Baxter galloped 100m after the start , and Ben all but hit his stablemate , because as you say reaction times are SPLIT SECOND . I thought Midnight Dash nearly went off stride taking evasive action. Things happen Very Quickly when something 'gallops' in the field. No good charging people with incompetent driving in IMO. Don't want her charged ... Don't want people suggesting it was her fault her horse broke it's leg, it was a domino affect from an illegal drive which got a piss poor suspension. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So why hammer the Professional top driver who made a split second decision and won? Orange couldn't see Ready I Am. All he could see was a tiring Prince Teka while he had a handful of horse. He made a split second decision yes but an illegal one hence the suspension......the suspension was too lenient and no monetary fine either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie said: Don't want her charged ... Don't want people suggesting it was her fault her horse broke it's leg, it was a domino affect from an illegal drive which got a piss poor suspension. Blair received a punishment for his drive. (breaking a rule of shifting ground in the straight ) we all do that time to time endeavouring to win. Philippa Wakelin and horse the unlucky victim of the galloping horse. She hit it and went down . could of happened to anyone . Distracted as I , you , or amatuer drivers like Brodie would all of been > By the tiring Prince Teka being pushed down onto her line of running up the straight. I would of been looking directly at that and possibly clipped the galloping horse , just one of those situations where you can't dodge 2 bullets ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dougie said: He made a split second decision yes but an illegal one hence the suspension......the suspension was too lenient and no monetary fine either Why was it too lenient? Because of the outcome to Ready I Am? Why discount the Aiguille movement? Just because it was galloping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why was it too lenient? Because of the outcome to Ready I Am? Why discount the Aiguille movement? Just because it was galloping? Obviously never been out there in a Raceday situation, IMHO, P Wakelin did nothing wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, CosmicBlacki said: Obviously never been out there in a Raceday situation, IMHO, P Wakelin did nothing wrong. Never said she did anything wrong. But a Professional Top Driver would have chosen a different option. Do you think she had FULL control of her horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Right so the essence of your argument is that there should have been an inquiry into the placings. Petronelli Gee should have been disqualified for crowding the tiring horse Prince Teka. I guess you wanted Aiguille disqualified too? 99 times out of 100 Ready I Am wouldn't have fallen. A top driver would have steered clear of Aiguille and ducked down to the rail. Chief, it seems that you are blaming the whole incident on Ms. Wakelin? The current rule where you can bowl a horse and keep your placing no questions asked is blatantly WRONG! How many enquiries now have we had where a horse checks another and it is relegated or disqualified? Can not remember too many or any. I know that Blair Orange is a great horseman and a supporter of his as you probably are aware of! However in a big stake race Blair made a gap for his horse by contacting another and caused a tightening that was the reason for Ready I am to be euthanised! What the Stipes do today is pretty insignificant nowadays compared to what they should be doing! It is all about the dollar a d not about fairness! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTeaz Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Rangatira said: Slightly off topic (highly unusual for me (and you)) but what did you think of the 2nd at The Bridge the other night ? Race 2 SENZ HANDICAP TROT SIR HENRY CASTLETON - held up rounding the final bend. THANK YOU - trotted roughly rounding the final bend. THE HULK - started from an incorrect unruly barrier position on 20m after Driver J Stormont was late in turning KELVINZ LUCK into position. Stewards were satisfied that Driver J Abernethy was not at fault. Stewards were also satisfied that neither horse started in advance of its correct barrier position and did not gain any advantage. Weakened rounding the final bend. KELVINZ LUCK - Driver J Stormont admitted a breach under Rule 859(2) in that he allowed his horse to start from an incorrect unruly barrier position. After hearing submissions on Penalty, the Adjudicative Committee imposed a fine of $400. Race 8 at Cambridge was a million times worse and missed!!! Until pointed out the next day by amateurs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JTeaz said: Race 8 at Cambridge was a million times worse and missed!!! Until pointed out the next day by amateurs That was so funny . Zac must of known his barrier draw was BETWEEN the 2 Chilcott runners? you would think, and then must of noticed they were both inside him as they scored up ?? Ironically he ran 2nd, finishing between the 2 lady drivers (Chilcotts 2 horses) at the winning post !! Weren't they delighted with their efforts too lol... spose good to see someone enjoying themselves these days. All's well that ends well ' they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTeaz Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 10:48 PM, Gammalite said: That was so funny . Zac must of known his barrier draw was BETWEEN the 2 Chilcott runners? you would think, and then must of noticed they were both inside him as they scored up ?? Ironically he ran 2nd, finishing between the 2 lady drivers (Chilcotts 2 horses) at the winning post !! Weren't they delighted with their efforts too lol... spose good to see someone enjoying themselves these days. All's well that ends well ' they say. it hasn't ended, the race should have been declared a no race. and there will be fines handed out. It was a joke and unprofessional 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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