The Centaur Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 For the non Aucklander Sylvia Park is one of the largest if not largest shopping complexes in NZ, certainly the fastest growing. Its huge. Not so well known is that Sylvia Park is named after one of NZ's first stud farms. The stud that produced Carbine possibly Australia's greatest horses as well as Mebourne Cup winner Martini Henry. Major roads around Sylvia Park are linked with the stud such as Carbine Road, Musket, Morrins, Hamlin, Waipuna. So with that history you would think racing would have some presence. Perhaps a race at Ellerslie named the Sylvia Park Cup or Plate, Hcp etc. No TAB at Sylvia Park not even a Turf Digest on sale. No large screen. Perhaps a book shop. No nothing. Whats wrong with Ellerslie sponsorship department they can't do some deal with Sylvia Park. One of the founders of Kiwi Properties the owner of Sylvia Park was actually a Dalgety agent when Dalgety was into thoroughbred sales. Yet the TAB steers clear of shopping malls. Not that the current formula for TAB's is suitable to malls but there just needs someone with initiative on the Racing Board to make things happen. Paddy Power Fixed Odds is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Good points. There is a plaque (or was!) in the mall commemorating Carbine and has a picture of him. A TAB would be good at Sylvia Park in Garrisons! The kids and mum could spend their hours shopping while Dad rests his weary feet! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Once upon a time there was a Sylvia Park Handicap for 2 year olds at Ellerslie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: Once upon a time there was a Sylvia Park Handicap for 2 year olds at Ellerslie Yes I'm sure there was a Sylvia Park Plate but can't see it it my records for last 25 years. Now if racing is proposing to shopping mall management to have a large TV screen or two for racing they will have to have a silent screen with audio available by mobile phone or personal radio. A separate still image internet screen would be the ideal partner. Plus a simple way to open an account. funded online and bet by phone internet. With Sylvia Park I would look at a corner as a bit of a racing museum. Nothing major but can't see shopping mall management balking at the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Sadly there is nothing in horse racing to attract the masses. No horses on TV---like 40-50 years ago, Bonanza, Laramie, High Chapparal, Lone Ranger, Mr Ed etc----- and no cult figures. Racing people don't have a mentality attractive to the masses. Nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: Sadly there is nothing in horse racing to attract the masses. No horses on TV---like 40-50 years ago, Bonanza, Laramie, High Chapparal, Lone Ranger, Mr Ed etc----- and no cult figures. Racing people don't have a mentality attractive to the masses. Nothing will change. Nothing will change in respect of the auckland racing club-they have consistantly displayed an arrogance which has led to the current situation=apart from old grizzlies, most of the year nobody goes there to watch races. If the board at the club had any common sense they would have put a stop to their temporary attempts to stop their track being a pig and waited until the Messara report came out, and co-ordinated the installation of a decent-read Strathayr-track with whatever Peters has promised the industry. But they know better.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: Sadly there is nothing in horse racing to attract the masses. No horses on TV---like 40-50 years ago, Bonanza, Laramie, High Chapparal, Lone Ranger, Mr Ed etc----- and no cult figures. Racing people don't have a mentality attractive to the masses. Nothing will change. There was a horse in The Godfather wasn't there? That's a bit more recent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 i wasnt going to reply to this but i will centaur i went to sylvia park after someone told my wife it was a huge shopping centre we were disappointed one its not that big secondly no tab , as for mismanagement i have my theories for racing , well you have clowns like molloy pushing his barrow telling everyone he knows best and encourages people to swear on trackside, and yet be covered in tattoos and swear you wont get in to hq he thinks he knows best and all his followers believe him and you have several of his mates that push the same barrow im not actually pointing him out but hey he thinks he knows better ffs lets get back to grassroots remember 30 years ago you had a country meeting at say kurow everyone from miles away got dressed up to meet your friends that you hadn't seen for ages kids behaved there selves actually i remember having more fun then than going to watch the footy , picnic lunches etc what a day and if your parents won or not you got an ice cream on the way home we need to go back to basics and make it a family friendly day its got to commercialized have a look who controls racing now tab studs etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Nothing will change and the slide will continue. . It's called evolution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: Nothing will change and the slide will continue. . It's called evolution. Might be a typo but I think you left the D off PD. The word is devolution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prankster Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 hours ago, The Centaur said: Now if racing is proposing to shopping mall management to have a large TV screen or two for racing they will have to have a silent screen with audio available by mobile phone or personal radio. A separate still image internet screen would be the ideal partner. Plus a simple way to open an account. funded online and bet by phone internet. The most likely thing you find in these types of places is that you can't even get on the TAB site using their free WiFi, as it's a gambling site. Tell most people these days that you are interested in horse racing and they will instantly think you're a problem gambler always leaving your kids locked in the car while you go to the TAB and punt away the money you stole from your employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 7/08/2018 at 12:58 AM, curious said: Might be a typo but I think you left the D off PD. The word is devolution. Devolution's dictionary definition: " descent to a lower or worse state. " Evolution applies to those who grow and avoid gambling on racehorses, Devolution is relevant to those who remain in the decadent industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 7/08/2018 at 1:30 AM, Prankster said: The most likely thing you find in these types of places is that you can't even get on the TAB site using their free WiFi, as it's a gambling site. Tell most people these days that you are interested in horse racing and they will instantly think you're a problem gambler always leaving your kids locked in the car while you go to the TAB and punt away the money you stole from your employer. I've found horse racing to be the greatest investment known to mankind. Shame on NZ racing for failing to realise that and promote it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 What a crying shame the Thoroughbred Industry have basically wiped their hands of the massive Auckland market... Imagine the Sydney clubs getting rid of their training tracks and sending them out to the boondocks as we did? Prices Rd. At least had a proximity to the city...or turning Avondale into a training course held promise... ...now it's all too late... Auckland should be racing every week...certainly every two But a whole generation has been ignored 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 17 hours ago, wally said: i wasnt going to reply to this but i will centaur i went to sylvia park after someone told my wife it was a huge shopping centre we were disappointed one its not that big secondly no tab , as for mismanagement i have my theories for racing , well you have clowns like molloy pushing his barrow telling everyone he knows best and encourages people to swear on trackside, and yet be covered in tattoos and swear you wont get in to hq he thinks he knows best and all his followers believe him and you have several of his mates that push the same barrow im not actually pointing him out but hey he thinks he knows better ffs lets get back to grassroots remember 30 years ago you had a country meeting at say kurow everyone from miles away got dressed up to meet your friends that you hadn't seen for ages kids behaved there selves actually i remember having more fun then than going to watch the footy , picnic lunches etc what a day and if your parents won or not you got an ice cream on the way home we need to go back to basics and make it a family friendly day its got to commercialized have a look who controls racing now tab studs etc Totally agree your assessment on Molloy. I've said for quite a while Molloy is bad for racing. Simple reason people don't want to follow an activity if there is going to be a hassle. Given the unprovoked insults Molloy has dished out to possibly hundreds I would probably end up in an altercation. Some insults just need that response. The snearing, conceited egotistic attitude displayed on social forums is pathetic. The guy isn't smart he's just cunning. He knows how to "follow the money" by aligning himself with say the majority in a situation in order to marginalise an individual. Enough of that.... We have to get away from the idea that all initiatives must be pursued only by Racing Board or NZTR. Instead they should just be a funds dispenser so that they professionally listen to proposals and fund accordingly. Furthermore the Racing Act should not stiffle innovation. Racing does not need Paddy Power or their ilk, neither can racing afford to pay bookmakers or form analysts to fleece the betting public. Far better the betting public act as bookmakers if they want to take on other punters. The TAB was settup to eliminate bookmakers. How come the TAB is now a bookmaker? If TAB staff are employed to fleece the punter rather than grow the pools then eventually there will be no punters left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 You guys are a bit unfair on the poor little Hideon. How would your self-esteem be after a bankruptcy, 3 failed marriages and 5 kids from the last living far away ? You too could only find solace with a bunch of babbling drunks in restaurant land ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 36 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Totally agree your assessment on Molloy. I've said for quite a while Molloy is bad for racing. Simple reason people don't want to follow an activity if there is going to be a hassle. Given the unprovoked insults Molloy has dished out to possibly hundreds I would probably end up in an altercation. Some insults just need that response. The snearing, conceited egotistic attitude displayed on social forums is pathetic. The guy isn't smart he's just cunning. He knows how to "follow the money" by aligning himself with say the majority in a situation in order to marginalise an individual. Enough of that.... We have to get away from the idea that all initiatives must be pursued only by Racing Board or NZTR. Instead they should just be a funds dispenser so that they professionally listen to proposals and fund accordingly. Furthermore the Racing Act should not stiffle innovation. Racing does not need Paddy Power or their ilk, neither can racing afford to pay bookmakers or form analysts to fleece the betting public. Far better the betting public act as bookmakers if they want to take on other punters. The TAB was settup to eliminate bookmakers. How come the TAB is now a bookmaker? If TAB staff are employed to fleece the punter rather than grow the pools then eventually there will be no punters left. well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 23 hours ago, Thomass said: What a crying shame the Thoroughbred Industry have basically wiped their hands of the massive Auckland market... Imagine the Sydney clubs getting rid of their training tracks and sending them out to the boondocks as we did? Prices Rd. At least had a proximity to the city...or turning Avondale into a training course held promise... ...now it's all too late... Auckland should be racing every week...certainly every two But a whole generation has been ignored Spot on, Tompax. You could remember the days of Hercules, Albert sen and jun driving the night cart round at night to collect effluence---- you could remember the days of horses stabled all over Auckland, training at Avondale, Alex Park and Ellerslie-----Bringing the racehorse to public attention and interest.-----Now ? None, apart from your pony club friends near Orakei--------the lost generations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 isnt there one a few minutes walk away from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/08/2018 at 1:53 PM, Poisoned Dwarf said: Spot on, Tompax. You could remember the days of Hercules, Albert sen and jun driving the night cart round at night to collect effluence---- you could remember the days of horses stabled all over Auckland, training at Avondale, Alex Park and Ellerslie-----Bringing the racehorse to public attention and interest.-----Now ? None, apart from your pony club friends near Orakei--------the lost generations Hay...me Mammy told me my twin got stolen at birth! If it's in the genes ya can't do a lot about it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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