Thomass Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Great win but wth was Jockey Higgins doing whipping the hide off the poor animal when nearly 10L clear?? Not only that but it was the 'stayed whip' style... It could have been a fit of pique after being warned for staying high in the irons in his previous win on the day...when looking around like a gobbling turkey... About time these whips were done away with...or by adopting a far more stringent restriction.. ...the younger generation simply won't tolerate this kind of behaviour... Got 8 weeks suspension anyway.....good job 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 8 weeks is basically the rest of the yr for a jumps jockey. In the excitement of winning a major jumping event he has got a little carried away, paid the price for it that’s for sure, sort of like you do when you puncture the princess and have lost the repair kit. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I watched in disbelief at the absolute flogging the horse got as well and was wondering why when he was so far in front. He certainly has an unusual style in the concluding stages of the races he is in, but that was completely uncalled for today and is a real shame as he is riding really really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 It looks as though he has an adrenaline problem White line fever..goes nuts when he sees it... According to the INFORMANT he's gutted and spent the night in the Motel instead of celebrating... He was giving the first winner a fair old tool up as well to get that massive break...when he didn't really need to... Horsemen know when they've got an engine under them without forcing the issue... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Look, lets do the math. How costly is it having jumps racing. I am as keen on racing as anybody but have never been remotely interested in jumps racing. That would go for a lot of other people. Educating horses for jumping after their racing days is positive and encouragement should be given with races for qualified jumpers. Even exhibition jumping displays on racedays. But racing over fences no.... particularly if jumps are placed in the last 600 metres of a race. Just because jumps racing is big in the UK why does that mean its applicable to NZ. Thomas is quite right about younger generation tolerance. Jumps racing is not a spectacle, not a betting medium, dangerous and quite frankly stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Look, lets do the math. How costly is it having jumps racing. I am as keen on racing as anybody but have never been remotely interested in jumps racing. That would go for a lot of other people. Educating horses for jumping after their racing days is positive and encouragement should be given with races for qualified jumpers. Even exhibition jumping displays on racedays. But racing over fences no.... particularly if jumps are placed in the last 600 metres of a race. Just because jumps racing is big in the UK why does that mean its applicable to NZ. Thomas is quite right about younger generation tolerance. Jumps racing is not a spectacle, not a betting medium, dangerous and quite frankly stupid. Bollocks! How many renditions have there been of the GN?? Nearly 150 ....proven over time, huge part of the tradition of NZ thoroughbred racing, and many horses and horsemen/women LOVE IT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby3051 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Harden up, Back in the day when top jockeys , thats me and p4p, were racing, we would hit horses far more than this fellow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Weasel said: Bollocks! How many renditions have there been of the GN?? Nearly 150 ....proven over time, huge part of the tradition of NZ thoroughbred racing, and many horses and horsemen/women LOVE IT. The Gun Lobby is a "tradition" in the USA. Doesn't mean it must be given a free pass if they LOVE their guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Scooby3051 said: Harden up, Back in the day when top jockeys , thats me and p4p, were racing, we would hit horses far more than this fellow. Times have changed scoobs...back in the day my old man would take me out to the woodshed and smash me with his belt for almost feck all....do that now and you'll be looking at a holiday in the ' big house'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Scooby3051 said: Harden up, Back in the day when top jockeys , thats me and p4p, were racing, we would hit horses far more than this fellow. Its 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 If some of these jocks are having trouble with adrenaline and the whip rules - let alone horsemanship - perhaps it's time for another option for addressing these transgressions. Maybe in addition to options of fines and suspensions there should be a kilometre or so running at full pace with a jolly good thrashing with a whip over the last 100m. Youmaythink it's unorthodox but I reckon it would be a great deterrent .... J. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Why not no whips at all----like the Red Indians of America and others ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I just looked again all over the Stipes report and I see no mention of the injuries the horse sustained, seems it was either ignored or unnoticeable. The stand down Higgins got is a solid penalty & justified, we do have to be a bit cautionary about inflaming something which doesn't occur that often today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, barryb said: I just looked again all over the Stipes report and I see no mention of the injuries the horse sustained, seems it was either ignored or unnoticeable. The stand down Higgins got is a solid penalty & justified, we do have to be a bit cautionary about inflaming something which doesn't occur that often today. Agree. Higgins is the exception to the rule and has been punished appropriately. I dont condone cruelty to animals in any way (wwould be quite happy if whips were banned in racing) but the number of occurrences of this kind are rare ...and pounced on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Crickey I don't think I would want to be whipped like that, even if I had my leather undies on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shad said: Crickey I don't think I would want to be whipped like that, even if I had my leather undies on. Only Thomass would enjoy something like that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 23 hours ago, barryb said: 8 weeks is basically the rest of the yr for a jumps jockey. In the excitement of winning a major jumping event he has got a little carried away, paid the price for it that’s for sure, sort of like you do when you puncture the princess and have lost the repair kit. Exactly the same as your excitement pump Bazz... ...a line of freshly cooked chups bathed in duck fat....with a bogan sauce topping dripping Down ya holy singlet and dirty y fronts after a day tossing the salad... yum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Thomass said: Exactly the same as your excitement pump Bazz... ...a line of freshly cooked chups bathed in duck fat....with a bogan sauce topping dripping Down ya holy singlet and dirty y fronts after a day tossing the salad... yum Exactly the same as when you see a winner with blinkers on first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 The great news about general whip use here is that NZTR are going to look into the "debacle" around the 'no protest' principle where presently whip rules can be broken and no correspondence will be entered into... ...it happened in a G2 race last Feb...and as sure as eggs it'll occur in a G1 race soon and they'll be another major stink about it... just do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 18 hours ago, mardigras said: Exactly the same as when you see a winner with blinkers on first time. nultiply that by two otr three if Thomass sees said winner with blinkers on first time and posts the tip before the race? Can you imagine the mess down HIS y-fronts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 This just gets worse... And it highlights the appalling attitude of some of these jumps Jocks who often have gung ho indifference to these horses "He showed little remorse" Mr McLaughlin produced as evidence photos taken by Racing Investigator, Mrs K Williams, of the rear left hindquarter of JACKFROST which clearly showed inflamed whip marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Weasel said: and posts the tip before the race? Like that will ever happen. Frauds don't tend to do that sort of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thomass said: And it highlights the appalling attitude of some of these jumps Jocks who often have gung ho indifference to these horses "He showed little remorse" Based on what? wheres your evidence of this?. Yet again you throw shit out there with zero backing on it. You are truly a complete f--kwit T, not 1/2 a one but a complete one. Edited August 10, 2018 by barryb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Did anyone notice the commentary for the race - adn in particular - the ride on Jackfrost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 barryb, “I’m absolutely gutted, I can’t believe it,” Higgins told www.theinformant.co.nz tonight. “I should be out celebrating with everyone else, but that’s the last thing I feel like doing. “Amanda and I are back at our motel and me, I have to admit all I can do is feel sorry for myself. “Once I’ve ridden at Te Aroha on Wednesday that will be it for the rest of the year. That will mean missing the Great Northern meeting, Pakuranga, National Jumps Day – whatever’s left of the season. “It’s very hard to take, from celebrating my biggest win and thinking what it means for my career, then to be hit with this. “I’ve put heart and soul into making a go of it over the past couple of years. It’s not easy based down in Invercargill and being the only committed jumps jockey in the whole of the South Island. “But I’ve really pushed myself, I’ve travelled where ever I’ve had to and felt like I was making a contribution. The way I feel right now though, I’m wondering why I bothered.” The above is taken from the Informant article available on this website and clearly backs up what "Thomass" has said. I both admire and appreciate the dedication and ability displayed by Mr Higgins but sincerely hope that someone this jockey trusts has a quiet word to him about both his whip action and his attitude towards the welfare of his mounts. All the best. Ashoka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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