Rowley Mile Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, barryb said: You been drinking Rowley?, bit early isnt it. None of the above post makes a drop of sense. That quote say's it all...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: That quote say's it all...... Sure does, you ramble crap. You made some silly statement about Racism in NZ & the AB's, struggled to link it to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 You throw stones expect get hurt, you didn't like it, did you, you're a bully mate, what I'm saying is factual, you may not have made the alleged racist comment, but you are sanctioning shit behaviour, you're a goose Barry, sorry to say, and Ashoka is correct, seek help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: You throw stones expect get hurt, you didn't like it, did you, you're a bully mate, what I'm saying is factual, you may not have made the alleged racist comment, but you are sanctioning shit behaviour, you're a goose Barry, sorry to say, and Ashoka is correct, seek help. WTF are you on about goofey?. Ashoka is an idiot, similar to you. You are talking shit about racism, I see no one else doing so, is this in reference to Jackfrost being a white horse?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 My last take.....I promise, really......all this started because Ashoka was offended by what he thought was a racist attack, a racial attack......what I did was offer my opine on racism, Ive seen it first hand over there, it's sickening, blowhards like you do little for NZ, you are in the minority though, thank goodness and eventually you will shuffle off to a gig somewhere else, there are a few on here that think you are Gods gift, but a fair few don't, go back to the other side and molest them, Ashoka didn't fire up over nothing, if you're half a man you'll let it go and move on, and desist from attacking someone because they think differently.....go on, prove me wrong, move on and be polite, or do what comes naturally, in this case fella, I'd love to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Can we get back on the topic please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: My last take.....I promise, really......all this started because Ashoka was offended by what he thought was a racist attack, a racial attack......what I did was offer my opine on racism, Ive seen it first hand over there, it's sickening, blowhards like you do little for NZ, you are in the minority though, thank goodness and eventually you will shuffle off to a gig somewhere else, there are a few on here that think you are Gods gift, but a fair few don't, go back to the other side and molest them, Ashoka didn't fire up over nothing, if you're half a man you'll let it go and move on, and desist from attacking someone because they think differently.....go on, prove me wrong, move on and be polite, or do what comes naturally, in this case fella, I'd love to be wrong. Still lost me on the Racism, but I will let it go as you are a nutter and Chief Stipe is a good bloke who has requested we do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And I'll let it go because Chief is a good bloke and you're a sycophant ........roll on the next topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 11, 2018 Author Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 10/08/2018 at 6:38 PM, barryb said: Based on what? wheres your evidence of this?. Yet again you throw shit out there with zero backing on it. You are truly a complete f--kwit T, not 1/2 a one but a complete one. Oh ffs...I'm away for a couple of days and all the dipshit ignorami come out to play Bazz...you should know by now I'm never ever ever wrong... ...and you should have put 2+2 together when I've obviously quoted from the direct Feds report... Do you want me to spank you again with the whole report... ...or do you want end your ignorance by going to the JCA site? Seriously it's like dealing with kids...and while it used to be fun spanking you ...now I'm just feeling sorry for you and your mental institution inmates.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Thomass said: Bazz...you should know by now I'm never ever ever wrong... Clearly a typo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, mardigras said: Clearly a typo. Clearly a psycho...your keyboard is faulty. He loves his spanking fetish doesn't he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, FeelTheFear said: Clearly a psycho...your keyboard is faulty. He loves his spanking fetish doesn't he? He does. And I've found the ones that seem to want to scream that the loudest are the most insecure - and have the realisation that things aren't what they are continually trying to claim. If he tells us enough times, there is a chance someone might start believing him. curious may be able to shed some light on such a disorder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, mardigras said: He does. And I've found the ones that seem to want to scream that the loudest are the most insecure - and have the realisation that things aren't what they are continually trying to claim. If he tells us enough times, there is a chance someone might start believing him. curious may be able to shed some light on such a disorder. Perhaps the one he is trying to convince the most is himself? My mate Dr Fill said something similar recently from memory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 This rubbish exchange belongs on the other channel. Either that or sling mud at one another to your hearts' content via private message. I sense the chief is trying not to be heavy-handed but i think he's over it too. C'mon guys. We're better than this ... J. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I stand admonished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Trouble is Jess, the dumb fish (Thomarse) just keeps coming back and throwing up absolute rubbish, it has to be questioned. The statements he makes are so outrageous & so utterly stupid that even he doesn't believe any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, jess said: This rubbish exchange belongs on the other channel. Either that or sling mud at one another to your hearts' content via private message. I sense the chief is trying not to be heavy-handed but i think he's over it too. C'mon guys. We're better than this ... J. Totally agree jess... its a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, barryb said: Trouble is Jess, the dumb fish (Thomarse) just keeps coming back and throwing up absolute rubbish, it has to be questioned. The statements he makes are so outrageous & so utterly stupid that even he doesn't believe any of it. Sorry Bazz I'm just going to have to hit you with the FACTS for continuing your rabid attack....one can only take so much of your b/s Mr McLaughlin stated that this breach was high level and as bad as the Stewards had ever seen. He was also concerned that Mr Higgins showed little remorse for his actions. Mr McLaughlin said that Mr Higgins had a previous breach of this rule in September 2017 for excessive use of the whip which he said must be taken into consideration. He said that this breach should be dealt with by way of suspension and a fine in addition for the status of the race. Mr McLaughlin stated that the JCA Penalty Guide provided a 6 to 8 National Day suspension and suggested an 8 National Day starting point but with Mr Higgins being a jumps rider, submitted a suspension be imposed with that status considered. He submitted that the fine be no less than $1000. Mr Oatham made reference to a recent excessive use of the whip breach by Jumps rider S Fannin on 6 May 2018 at Te Aroha where he received a 6 National Jumps day suspension for 18 strikes prior to the 100m which was deemed to be high end use of the whip. He said Mr Fannin won the race and had a poor record. Reasons For Penalty: The JCA Penalty Guide provides that where the improper or unnecessary use is of an order that is inexcusable, grossly unacceptable or raises alarming animal welfare concerns then a suspension is the starting point. We found that this unnecessary whip use was of an order that is inexcusable, grossly unacceptable and raised alarming animal welfare concerns. This Committee was satisfied that JACKFROST was struck on at least 8 occasions over the final 100m and after the last hurdle, when the horse was comfortably winning the race. The film replays, especially the head on views, were compelling and showed the strikes as being of high force and continuous from the 100m to the finish line. Aggravating factors to consider for penalty were; - the high force used, -the continuous use of the whip over the concluding 100m - the fact that the horse had a lead margin of 8 to 10 lengths at the 100m -Mr Higgins' previous excessive use breach in September 2017 - the status of the race being the Grand National Hurdles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 What's "the status of the race being the Grand National Hurdles" got to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Mr Higgins previous breach sept 2017. Hardly a repeat offender or a thrasher, dreaming Thomass & Chief is bang on above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What's "the status of the race being the Grand National Hurdles" got to do with anything? Its a show case event, watched by a larger audience, especially non racing people. Therefor its significance needs to be a factor when determining penalty. Just my thoughts on above question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, aquaman said: Its a show case event, watched by a larger audience, especially non racing people. Therefor its significance needs to be a factor when determining penalty. Just my thoughts on above question. I don't agree - if the issue is animal welfare then it doesn't matter if 1,000 or 10,000 see it. They apply this "discretion" with other infringements as well. For example interference in a major vs a minor race. There shouldn't be any difference in the "holiday" given however there is possibly an argument regarding the fine but that could be made relative by applying it as a % rather than an arbitrary amount. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't agree - if the issue is animal welfare then it doesn't matter if 1,000 or 10,000 see it. They apply this "discretion" with other infringements as well. For example interference in a major vs a minor race. There shouldn't be any difference in the "holiday" given however there is possibly an argument regarding the fine but that could be made relative by applying it as a % rather than an arbitrary amount. Aqua's correct...animal 'welfare' includes public perception of the Racing Industry...and the bigger the race the bigger the audience... ...the same for interference in major races...the ramifications for stakeholders, including Black Type earnt should translate to greater penalties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Not so sure Chief... The activists have greyhound racing in NSW gone, jumps racing in Victoria almost gone and they need little encouragment to start another fire All issues on penalty to onside this is a very poor advert for racing and no matter how you view it, the event can only be damaging. Very sad for a sunset industry struggling to survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Aqua's correct...animal 'welfare' includes public perception of the Racing Industry...and the bigger the race the bigger the audience... ...the same for interference in major races...the ramifications for stakeholders, including Black Type earnt should translate to greater penalties... That's rubbish Tank. If you burgle the corner dairy the penalty is the same as burgling Harvey Norman. I very much doubt that any more people saw the Grand National than those watching the Maiden at Pukekohe. What's more the apparent victim in either race is still a horse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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