Brodie Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Not many bet that amount in one go Brodster. You lose the enjoyment for the sport. It bacomes ALL about the money only , and you start cursing bad luck/ results and drivers etc.... I watch most races WITHOUT investment because I enjoy the racing. The achievements in the sport ,etc. Notice you didn't post on the Harness greats quiz, probably because you don't respect the achievements, just the stupid money. Allstars deserve more respect than what they get from disgruntled punters. Near best in World . you should be impressed . instead it's "oh just another race I couldn't Win a dollar on" . that's sad mate...... Gamma, firstly whether you think $500 is a big bet depends on your income/ asset position! If you can not afford to wager $500 then you probably wont! As to punting amounts, I know that I will get enough collects to always be able to make money, so whether I offload $50 or $5k is irrelevant. I reiterate that I do not consider a bet of $500 @$1.75 to be worth announcing on Trackside! You are probably right in the loss of enjoyment thing due to wagering! I got pretty sour when the betting restrictions were initiated by the NZ TAB as I believe that all punters should be treated equally. You are totally correct in regards to having not answered any questions in your harness greats quizz. I knew quite a few of the answers but yeah I do not dwell too much on races of decades ago. Prefer to look to the future than dwell on the past. There are some good punting races tomorrow at Addington! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: Yes it does ! you wrote about $20 effecting the price the TAB is offering as the bets are placed. EXACTLY what I wrote about. I wrote to Chief as he is CORRECT . YOU are Not the only one placing bets . How you think you manipulate the tote price is quite funny. I live on the punt . I know how it works. I think you and Davis can select quite well actually. Brodie ?? nah who puts big bets a place (because not confident of picking winners for starters ) at $1000 on ones paying $2 a place or more ? no-one is the answer. AND if you did the MANY unplaced runs would make you that bitter with the sport, that you'd go mad ?? wait a minute , !!!!!!!!! he is bitter with .................................. everyone ? lol.................. You and the chief are saying win movers are based on how much money is bet on each horse.And your saying you don't believe when i place a bet it is a factor in whether the odds changed ,and as a result the tote price then changes.. You say "how you think you manipulate the tote price is quite funny". Thats your interpretation of what i have been discussing. Mine is i have been discussing how the TAB has algorithms in place to change the odds based on Who is placing the bets,and how those changes influence the eventual prices. So i think i have been discussing who,not how much,which i view as 2 different things. To prove my point, i posted that people who read my posts should watch the influence my placing a $20 on emmas boy in the last race yesterday would have on the eventual price.I made that post 30 minutes before the start of that race,straight after i backed it. I backed it at $16 ff,it immediately dropped to $12 on the fixed odds as i expected because of my $20 bet,and i stated i expected it to start a lot shorter because people follow the win movers. So what happened,it won,it paid $6 on fixed odds and $6 on the tote. It was not selected by matt cross,while the whale selected it 3rd ,saying he thought it had every chance the week before but thought it was worth including.He made a very strong push for his 1st selection. So I made that prediction because i believe i knew what would happen and it did. I knew what would happen because i know how it works. Now you don't appear to believe what i say. We can't agree all the time. Edited July 2, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 56 minutes ago, Gammalite said: just the stupid money. not about the money Gamma, its just about the challenge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 51 minutes ago, the galah said: You and the chief are saying win movers are based on how much money is bet on each horse.And your saying you don't believe when i place a bet it is a factor in whether the odds changed ,and as a result the tote price then changes.. You say "how you think you manipulate the tote price is quite funny". Thats your interpretation of what i have been discussing. Mine is i have been discussing how the TAB has algorithms in place to change the odds based on Who is placing the bets,and how those changes influence the eventual prices. So i think i have been discussing who,not how much,which i view as 2 different things. To prove my point, i posted that people who read my posts should watch the influence my placing a $20 on emmas boy in the last race yesterday would have on the eventual price.I made that post 30 minutes before the start of that race,straight after i backed it. I backed it at $16 ff,it immediately dropped to $12 on the fixed odds as i expected because of my $20 bet,and i stated i expected it to start a lot shorter because people follow the win movers. So what happened,it won,it paid $6 on fixed odds and $6 on the tote. It was not selected by matt cross,while the whale selected it 3rd ,saying he thought it had every chance the week before but thought it was worth including.He made a very strong push for his 1st selection. So I made that prediction because i believe i knew what would happen and it did. I knew what would happen because i know how it works. Now you don't appear to believe what i say. We can't agree all the time. Sorry mate... no offence was intended . honestly I do find some stuff funny (un-like some usually posting other places more than here) .. I wasn't gunna post on this topic at all actually as knew this would happen..... Always think it's funny what people think are big bets and what aren't , and where they should put them lol 😅, I've seen a few go off the rails in my time. Thankfully I retired with common sense Not prepared to waste $1000 on a horse race lol... and No i'm Not convinced that $20 starts a landslide of bets either but "Whatever" as the teens say lol. am surprised that some don't enjoy the history of the sport on a harness forum but live and learn I guess ? tried and failed it seems lol. Maybe thats why the Alex Park museum runs empty too lol.... because life rule for all followers of any sport/job/activity/country etc.. should be......................................................... " if You Haven't Got History What have You Got ??" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 Last night at addington. I had the one bet the day before ,bondi lustre,the odds immediately shortened from $8.50 to $6. Only $40 did that. I would have backed one other,tasman tempest,but by the time i got around to it the day before,its odds had dropped from $9 to $5. I contacted an associate who they do the same when he puts a bet on,and sure enough he had put a couple of $35 bets on ,it being the only one he backed the day before. Tomorrow the one horse he has backed with just over $50 has had its odds slashed 25%. Last night he had a $200 bonus bet. I said to him the best bet was heaven on high for a place. He put that on and it immediately dropped from $1.85 to $1.50. Now i could keep giving examples,,but its not for me to tell people who i think may be worth backing.But anyone who thinks what i say isn't true,simply has no idea how it works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: Last night at addington. I had the one bet the day before ,bondi lustre,the odds immediately shortened from $8.50 to $6. Only $40 did that. I would have backed one other,tasman tempest,but by the time i got around to it the day before,its odds had dropped from $9 to $5. I contacted an associate who they do the same when he puts a bet on,and sure enough he had put a couple of $35 bets on ,it being the only one he backed the day before. Tomorrow the one horse he has backed with just over $50 has had its odds slashed 25%. Last night he had a $200 bonus bet. I said to him the best bet was heaven on high for a place. He put that on and it immediately dropped from $1.85 to $1.50. Now i could keep giving examples,,but its not for me to tell people who i think may be worth backing.But anyone who thinks what i say isn't true,simply has no idea how it works. are you on a 1960's telephone exchange ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 3 hours ago, the galah said: Now i could keep giving examples,,but its not for me to tell people who i think may be worth backing. Hoping you in front nicely from Addington mate. I'm quite confident LEAP TO FAME wins the rising Sun tonight at Albion, if you have a small winning margin today to play with . I think it's worth backing. Showing $8 on Sportsbet which I find quite astounding. Mind you i'm down from SIGH today costing me over 100 as silly jock should of won easy but rode straight into the back of the leaders in the straight R6 Caulfield. sigh...sigh...sigh.... lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hoping you in front nicely from Addington mate. I'm quite confident LEAP TO FAME wins the rising Sun tonight at Albion, if you have a small winning margin today to play with . I think it's worth backing. Showing $8 on Sportsbet which I find quite astounding. Mind you i'm down from SIGH today costing me over 100 as silly jock should of won easy but rode straight into the back of the leaders in the straight R6 Caulfield. sigh...sigh...sigh.... lol good our old mate won race 1 with the colt tonight gamma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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