A herlihy/aardiebythehill

[the galah]

Again we saw the North island stipes give herlihy a free pass when any other driver in the south island would have been fined twice.

I have said it before,there is different standards of enforcement depending on what area you come from and who you are in those areas.

In this case Herlihy started from the inside of the track when on the u/r.He ran 4th. He started much closer than james stormont did when he won on kelvinz luck at cambridge, yet herlihy got no fine compared to stormont who was fined $400.

Then in the final straight he drifts wide,then changes direction and steers it significantly back inwards,totally confusing the driver following who had started to angle wider,then changed direction to go inside,then had to again change direction as herlihy cut her off.

 

[Gammalite]

Think you have Ice in your veins Mr Galah , as this harness racing great keeps on bringing em' home . Bolting with Brilliance is young Tony. A very cold drive you are saying?

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Think you have Ice in your veins Mr Galah , as this harness racing great keeps on bringing em' home . Bolting with Brilliance is young Tony. A very cold drive you are saying?

I know your a fan ,however the post is about the double standards when it comes to enforcing the rules.I agree he is a great driver. 

If it was a lesser known driver who started from the inside when drawn unruly,or zigzagged his way up the final straight then would you expect them to get off with a warning? Tell a lesser known driver who gets treated differently for the same thing how that is fair.

Herlihy,butchers ,mangos,etc all get the lenient treatment simply because the north island stipes give them preferential treatment.

The stipe report for that race  appears to have been written by someone who was out the back having a coffee instead of watching the race.

It states kings landing stood on the mark,yet the video clearly  confirms  the horse was going backwards before the start. There was only 6 in the race,yet the starter let them go without seemingly realising one horse was in the wrong starting position and another had backed away prior to the start. Maybe time to send peter lamb up their to give the starter some advice.

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by the galah

[Gammalite]

34 minutes ago, the galah said:

Herlihy,butchers ,mangos,etc all get the lenient treatment simply because the north island stipes give them preferential treatment.

Mango had a few whip indescretions that were dealt with .and  McKendry too? also in the opposite boat to what you are talking ?

He didn't get lenient treatment for a drive recently where copped a severe penalty for a race mistake tactic ?.

So feel you are being harsh with 'Preferential treatment ' by Northern stewards accusation.?  

Personally,  I would of penalised AGH for the Krug drive that sent a couple of runners galloping madly at the first turn last year (which I think you pointed out at the time) so seemingly he got off on that occasion because of reputation , when another junior or less experienced driver or whatever, would of had the book thrown at him/her. so yes , some merit in your thoughts there I guess. 

[the galah]

47 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Mango had a few whip indescretions that were dealt with .and  McKendry too? also in the opposite boat to what you are talking ?

He didn't get lenient treatment for a drive recently where copped a severe penalty for a race mistake tactic ?.

So feel you are being harsh with 'Preferential treatment ' by Northern stewards accusation.?  

Personally,  I would of penalised AGH for the Krug drive that sent a couple of runners galloping madly at the first turn last year (which I think you pointed out at the time) so seemingly he got off on that occasion because of reputation , when another junior or less experienced driver or whatever, would of had the book thrown at him/her. so yes , some merit in your thoughts there I guess. 

Who can forget the herlihy drive where his horse hung in and ran inside the markers,then was steered back out into the middle of the field causing several horses to be interfered with. No penalty.

Or what about mangos causing carnage in that 2yo race,no penalty.All supposedly inconclusive evidence due to drivers saying the opposite of what the video showed.Just protecting their mate,instead of just telling how it happened.. 

All those races in auckland have the same drivers in them.There is no depth whatsoever to the driving ranks in the north island and many are related.

Auckland racing is often boring racing and extremely poor from a betting perspective,with little or no consequences for some driving,depending on who you are. Its a shame,but it is what it is as they say.

Edited July 18, 2022 by the galah

[the galah]

Just watched race 5 at auckland last week.

A harrison not blamed for hitting the sulky wheel of john wayne,when she pulled off its back,because the stipes said manhattan sunshine,the horse improving outside harrison was hanging in.

But she hit the wheel when she pulled out,and manhattan sunshine only hung badly after that.

Just another example of the stipes not willing to do anything.They really are weak as there.

[Harrison]

On 3/20/2022 at 8:53 AM, Davis said:

Give her a chance mate. Driving is in the O'Reilly genes. Patrick senior told me decades ago that Gerard was the best driver in the family and this was before gerard got his drivers' licence. Those superior driving genes have been passed on to Sarah and she is even better than her dad. Sarah got a long way to go to get to Natalie's class but she will I am sure.

 

14 hours ago, the galah said:

Just watched race 5 at auckland last week.

A harrison not blamed for hitting the sulky wheel of john wayne,when she pulled off its back,because the stipes said manhattan sunshine,the horse improving outside harrison was hanging in.

But she hit the wheel when she pulled out,and manhattan sunshine only hung badly after that.

Just another example of the stipes not willing to do anything.They really are weak as there.

There was actually never any evidence I hit the wheel at all head on video footage clearly shows I was clear of the wheel and horse paced fluently and never skipped a beat. AGH horse hung in and made heavy contact with me breaking my mudguard and damaging my sulky when I was outside the wheel of the other horse which shunted me close to the outside of the wheel when contact occurred but again never any evidence of contact to John Waynes wheel. Salish also agreed there was no evidence of contact in the room and sometimes wheels just go down or the tiny bump when I was contacted by other horse could’ve been enough. They weren’t ever going to charge me as I did nothing wrong and was clearly clear of the wheel when I made my move 

[hunterthepunter]

15 minutes ago, Harrison said:

 

There was actually never any evidence I hit the wheel at all head on video footage clearly shows I was clear of the wheel and horse paced fluently and never skipped a beat. AGH horse hung in and made heavy contact with me breaking my mudguard and damaging my sulky when I was outside the wheel of the other horse which shunted me close to the outside of the wheel when contact occurred but again never any evidence of contact to John Waynes wheel. Salish also agreed there was no evidence of contact in the room and sometimes wheels just go down or the tiny bump when I was contacted by other horse could’ve been enough. They weren’t ever going to charge me as I did nothing wrong and was clearly clear of the wheel when I made my move 

THE GALAH champion grandstand driver

[Honestjohn]

Have to agree about the stipes being hard on south island guys.  They seem to like fining the juniors down here as well,  as for agh  he's a legend.   Spoke to him in the craypot about 3years so in kaikoura.  Nice guy. 

 

Hj

[the galah]

57 minutes ago, Harrison said:

 

There was actually never any evidence I hit the wheel at all head on video footage clearly shows I was clear of the wheel and horse paced fluently and never skipped a beat. AGH horse hung in and made heavy contact with me breaking my mudguard and damaging my sulky when I was outside the wheel of the other horse which shunted me close to the outside of the wheel when contact occurred but again never any evidence of contact to John Waynes wheel. Salish also agreed there was no evidence of contact in the room and sometimes wheels just go down or the tiny bump when I was contacted by other horse could’ve been enough. They weren’t ever going to charge me as I did nothing wrong and was clearly clear of the wheel when I made my move 

Fair enough.You make a good case.

There is a clear inference in the stipes report that the flat tyre sustained by john wayne,driven by abernethy, was a result of contact from your horse.

You would assume abernethy became aware of the time his tyre deflated,and the stipes report states  abernethy reported it happened near the 500m,the point you came out,and the point he turned his head.

Sounds like the stipes went with their instinct that your horse had made contact in the wording of the report,but given they had no evidence of contact they should have worded their report so as to not infer there was a connection .

While unrelated to what we are discussing,there seems to be some type of code among prominent drivers  in the north island to have a "nothing to see attitude".

As i have said in a previous post.The head of the northern branch of the trainers and drivers association,jay abernethy is on record as saying 9 out of 10 drivers would have made the decision maurice mckendry did,the night he chose to steer onto the fence behind a wall of horses,instead of just pulling off the back and into the clear when driving simply sam. The stipes in that case came under criticism from many industry participants for charging mckendry. Given punters like myself read such rubbish and clearly untrue comments from the likes of abernethy and others,it shapes ones opinion.

In some ways i can see why the stipes are seemingly weaker up there as they don't always get a true picture of what happens by asking some drivers.

 

[Harrison]

3 minutes ago, the galah said:

Fair enough.You make a good case.

There is a clear inference in the stipes report that the flat tyre sustained by john wayne,driven by abernethy, was a result of contact from your horse.

You would assume abernethy became aware of the time his tyre deflated,and the stipes report states  abernethy reported it happened near the 500m,the point you came out,and the point he turned his head.

Sounds like the stipes went with their instinct that your horse had made contact in the wording of the report,but given they had no evidence of contact they should have worded their report so as to not infer there was a connection .

While unrelated to what we are discussing,there seems to be some type of code among prominent drivers  in the north island to have a "nothing to see attitude".

As i have said in a previous post.The head of the northern branch of the trainers and drivers association,jay abernethy is on record as saying 9 out of 10 drivers would have made the decision maurice mckendry did,the night he chose to steer onto the fence behind a wall of horses,instead of just pulling off the back and into the clear when driving simply sam. The stipes in that case came under criticism from many industry participants for charging mckendry. Given punters like myself read such rubbish and clearly untrue comments from the likes of abernethy and others,it shapes ones opinion.

In some ways i can see why the stipes are seemingly weaker up there as they don't always get a true picture of what happens by asking some drivers.

 

Yeah their wording wasn’t great, but it actually wasn’t how they approached the situation at all. I believe Salish only said his sulky wheel was punctured at the 500m he never actually said it was from me contacting it and nor did he in the room. When he turned his head was when Tony’s horse came over top of my cart it made a massive noise so whether that did slightly also shove me in to his wheel I don’t know I never felt contact & he never said I did & on the video it looks like I never touched it and they watched it ten times over. 
 

It was actually a South Island Stipendiary steward officiating the meeting & has been often in the last year & I believe mr Mulcay has been down south often also. To be honest I’ve watched Maurice’s drive a lot and well obviously it was the wrong call at the end of the day I can see why he made that decision at the time as his horse clearly laboured when Harder than Diamonds sprinted on the turn & he lost its back by perhaps a length and a half so maybe that’s what Jay meant why drivers would make that decision when they weren’t travelling well. Unfortunately after it obviously managed to find its speed and finish on strongly when the gaps closed and possibly would’ve ran a place if he had kept following the winner. But I don’t really believe the stipes differ as I said the stewards at the park have often been the South Island stewards running it, as was the case last week

[the galah]

1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said:

THE GALAH champion grandstand driver

That coming from someone who turns a blind eye to any wrongdoing of those you support.

Tell me hunter,who is the most reliable judge of race analysis. Is it someone who makes a living out of punting,or someone whose job it is to analyse and critique what happens in a race like a stipe,or is it someone who has driven a 1000 winners and has a personal connection to most of the drivers.

I'm guessing you would go with the latter. But for me i definitely would not agree with that.

The reason people use the",You haven't been a highly successful driver,so you can't judge me", is just an excuse to deflect from any wrongdoing. its just not true.

Edited August 4, 2022 by the galah

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

Tell me hunter,who is the most reliable judge of race analysis.

Gammalite is the answer to that question ... 😊😉👍 lol. we're all grandstand driver's in a way , and Hunter just having a laugh along with it. All good.

Your race in question , I thought Harrison did fine. (not to hit wheel and gallop) The horse coming around her was hanging very badly indeed on Tony.  It damaged her sulky and guard , so is amazing she didn't steer into the inside horse's wheel harder if you ask me. Once when that happened to me , I collected the inside horses wheel altogeather , and went down in a screaming heap on the track 🙄 , while trying to physically push the hanging horse off my sulky. I got 2 weeks suspension lol.... for flipping the guy behind me out lol. wasn't even my fault really , but whatever. Actually was quite handy to of flipped John McMullen out , as he helped me untangle my horse and get it back to it's feet . so gave him a ride back on side of sulky, from the far side of track , with him grizzling all the way of course !!  get over it John!  lol.......

[hunterthepunter]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

 

Tell me hunter,who is the most reliable judge of race analysis. 

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