Brodie Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Yes I know it has been done before, but FFS it is such a dumb rule it has to be dumped! Just Watched Race 2 at Oamaru and Leo O’Reilly got done for using the whip in excess of the permitted no. of 10. On Flying Master Williams Leo is not known for being a heavy user of the whip,previously as far as I am aware and I don’t believe he has been on this occasion either. The horse only got out the last bit and yes Leo did give the horse a few to try and do its best but certainly wasn’t 10 hits one after the other or excessive whatsoever. He gets a holiday for trying on a horse that has been around a long and wants to win a race!!!! Harness NZ admit that you have made an error of judgement in bringing this damn stupid rule in and put it back to what it was before, which worked just fine. Animal Rights had no problem with the way the whip,was being used in harness in NZ. What happens in Oz is what should happen here, forget about trying to be PC and run the industry the way it should be!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare Hunter Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The Hoary Old Chestnut is back. Do you feel you are any closer to getting this sorted BrodBoy. What was HRNZ's response ? Any correspondence you can share on here ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Kotare Hunter said: The Hoary Old Chestnut is back. Do you feel you are any closer to getting this sorted BrodBoy. What was HRNZ's response ? Any correspondence you can share on here ? Yes somewhat close Kotare! They changed it from excessive use of the whip to using the whip in excess of the permitted. This clearly shows that they have erred in bringing in the rule with a no. On it and don’t agree that it is right, so they have changed the terminology Kotareboy! Edited August 20, 2018 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 what did you think of darksider stuart higgins vigorous urging of jackfrost after the last hurdle in the grand national brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Rangatira said: what did you think of darksider stuart higgins vigorous urging of jackfrost after the last hurdle in the grand national brodie Don’t bother with Thoroughbred Racing, too hard to follow! Have not got a problem with suspending drivers if they do punish a horse too severely, but the current whip rule is ludicrous and unjustified. The no. Needs to come out of it and go back to previous rule that was working just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Don’t bother with Thoroughbred Racing, too hard to follow! Have not got a problem with suspending drivers if they do punish a horse too severely, but the current whip rule is ludicrous and unjustified. The no. Needs to come out of it and go back to previous rule that was working just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) Yes he did use the whip too much on Jack Frost when he had the field covered. I am not going to comment on thoroughbred Racing as it is for punters who can not make money on harness racing! Lol However, I reiterate the harness rule needs overhauling as many drivers have been fined or suspended for no good reason, and it has happened far too many times! Edited August 20, 2018 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes he did use the whip too much on Jack Frost when he had the field covered. I am not going to comment on thoroughbred Racing as it is for punters who can not make money on harness racing! However, I reiterate the harness rule needs overhauling as many drivers have been fined or suspended for no good reason, and it has happened far too many times! would you favour getting rid of it as a performance enhancer or altogether even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Brodie said: Animal Rights had no problem with the way the whip,was being used in harness in NZ. Do you have anything supporting that claim? Have you actually spoken to any animal rights groups about it or are you just assuming that because they haven’t made to much noise pubically about it that they were fine with whipping? For me I think it’s good that the industry has tried to take a proactive approach, granted the rule may not be perfect as it stands but at least they can show the public they are/ have taken steps to address animal welfare issues rather than scrambling around after the heat goes on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Do you have anything supporting that claim? im thinking not likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: would you favour getting rid of it as a performance enhancer or altogether even Not at all. The Harness Rule was fine the way it was and HRNZ reacted after the Ozzie’s brought in the banning of the whip,over there. That has now been overturned I believe, just as the current rule here needs seriously looking at!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Brodie said: Animal Rights had no problem with the way the whip,was being used in harness in NZ. you must have been speaking with animal rights imposters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Rangatira said: you must have been speaking with animal rights imposters No, they said that they had no issues with the whip being used in harness racing!!! They had other things on their agenda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Brodie said: No, they said that they had no issues with the whip being used in harness racing!!! They had other things on their agenda! you have made that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: No, they said that they had no issues with the whip being used in harness racing!!! They had other things on their agenda! was this at a prime steer breeders barbeque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 no was a spy at darkside camp lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, Brodie said: No, they said that they had no issues with the whip being used in harness racing!!! They had other things on their agenda! Can you please provide a link for the rest of us to see? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rangatira said: you have made that up FFS, I am not going to continue answering you Rangatira, you are an absolute XXXXXXX. It was in the damn media when the current rule was brought in, and the Animal Rights group stated that the harness racing usage of the whip was not on their hit list. Get a life, stop trying to have Brodie on, because you are only an antagonist from the Darkside and I can’t be bothered with them, as that site is clearly dieing! You can talk to yourself because I have had a gutsful of your shite, I need to sort out the winners for Thursday night. Far more productive than your crap Ranga flippen Tira! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Can you please provide a link for the rest of us to see? You can piss off too! ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Can you please provide a link for the rest of us to see? there is no link its in his mind he shant be fronting up anytime soon but he has turned to abuse as if animal rights types would say where okay with the whipping of horses due to the bigger fish we are currently frying Edited August 20, 2018 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 brodie there blood is spinning they had toomuch epo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Brodie said: You can piss off too! ! Is that sort of response really required? Your entitled to have a different view and don’t need to answer or justify yourself to anyone but there is no need to fire off insults when you don’t agree with someone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Let it go, Brodie. If the drivers are that annoyed about it then they should unite and voice their concerns through their association and see if they can get amended. Until that time, use the whip as required under the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 20/08/2018 at 6:40 PM, Rangatira said: you have made that up As somebody who has close links with SAFE, I can confirm that Brodie is indeed making this up. What is true though is that harness whip use is not (yet) their number one priority. Acting preemptively is a concept Brodie often has trouble with.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Basil said: As somebody who has close links with SAFE, I can confirm that Brodie is indeed making this up. What is true though is that harness whip use is not (yet) their number one priority. Acting preemptively is a concept Brodie often has trouble with.? basil well what is there number one priority???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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