Is this the Grand National death knell survey?

[curious]

Survey for the future of the Grand National Festival (GNF)

PLEASE COMPLETE THIS SURVEY BY FRIDAY 30 SEPTEMBER 2022.

As you will be aware the 2022 renewal of the Canterbury Jockey Club GNF was very fragile in terms of starter numbers in the jumping races.  Three races were abandoned, and the feature events only just got by.

The Canterbury Jockey Club does not want this iconic racemeeting to fade into the mists of time, but it can only continue with the support of those who own, train and ride jumpers.

The Club, NZ Jumps and NZTR (and indeed many stakeholders) need to understand what is required to ensure the continuation of the GNF and would like your feedback in this regard.  Please take the time to complete this survey by clicking on the link below.

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FMCPZHC

 

Kind regards

[Bid]

I hope it isn’t the end, it’s my favourite week of the year but it does need something changed to carry on. I’d move the GN hurdle to the last day some any maideners can go around early in the week and have a crack at it if the come through first or second day ok. My one this year a classic example of that, we would have rolled the dice and had a go after a tidy enough race. 
Need to have some jump racing leading into the carnival,  even if this is all at Riccarton 

[nomates]

No way the jumping survives more than another year , if things are as bad again then gone . Not even sure jumping has a future here anymore looking at the fields for the GN races last weekend .

Next will be the Guineas races , for no other reason the fields are made up of northerners and they don't want to travel that far with their top 3yo's anymore , and it makes sense . And when Ellerslie gets back up and running they will be all over wanting these races at Ellerslie .

CENTRALISATION !!! 

To north of Taupo anyway .

[Freda]

39 minutes ago, curious said:

Survey for the future of the Grand National Festival (GNF)

 

PLEASE COMPLETE THIS SURVEY BY FRIDAY 30 SEPTEMBER 2022.

 

As you will be aware the 2022 renewal of the Canterbury Jockey Club GNF was very fragile in terms of starter numbers in the jumping races.  Three races were abandoned, and the feature events only just got by.

 

The Canterbury Jockey Club does not want this iconic racemeeting to fade into the mists of time, but it can only continue with the support of those who own, train and ride jumpers.

 

The Club, NZ Jumps and NZTR (and indeed many stakeholders) need to understand what is required to ensure the continuation of the GNF and would like your feedback in this regard.  Please take the time to complete this survey by clicking on the link below.

 

 

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FMCPZHC

 

 

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

Where did you get that from ?

[curious]

Sent out by Allan Pollitt, signed by Tim Mills. Assumed it would have gone to all owners and licence-holders. No?

[Freda]

No.

[Freda]

Wouldn't a survey be more useful if it included as many as possible?

[Doomed]

It's a pretty half arsed survey anyhow to be honest. There won't be any useful information to come out of it.

[Doomed]

2 minutes ago, Freda said:

Wouldn't a survey be more useful if it included as many as possible?

It looks like it is very targeted, seems largely interested in the views of a small number of owners and trainers.

[nomates]

32 minutes ago, Freda said:

Wouldn't a survey be more useful if it included as many as possible?

Christ don't want all the riff raff having a say .

[nomates]

Maybe they could get the same Kings Council that done the Uffindel investigation for National so that they can guarantee getting the result they want .

[Freda]

Just let the bloody thing go North.

Sad, but - although I love the jumpers - it is a travesty to see five horses running for good money [ although, fine if you can get some of it ] .

My boy was the last horse to gain his ticket and race over jumps from this centre.  Three runs for me for a minor place, spelled for the next season - and, nothing.  No jumps races any more.  So he went to the Myers barn.  Now in new ownership, he won a steeplechase at Te Rapa a couple of months ago.

So what's the point of a survey?  Isn't it bleeding obvious?

[curious]

1 hour ago, Doomed said:

It looks like it is very targeted, seems largely interested in the views of a small number of owners and trainers.

Looks to me like it is a token piece of justification for canning the thing. Seems a bit late now to be seeking ideas to keep jumping alive in the SI.

[nomates]

3 minutes ago, curious said:

Looks to me like it is a token piece of justification for canning the thing. Seems a bit late now to be seeking ideas to keep jumping alive in the SI.

As ever they need the fish to be slapping their faces before they react .

[billy connolly]

1 hour ago, Freda said:

So what's the point of a survey?  Isn't it bleeding obvious?

Of course it is, I know Mills is a biscuit short of a packet but who the hell is Allan Pollitt?

Why doesn't old Millsey give Meyers, Wheeler and Co a call himself? Other than tell him he's had his time as CEO, they would tell him in half a minute if there was any hope.

It wasn't that long ago that more than half the card (4 jumping races plus a high-weight) on both the first and last days of the Grand National carnival catered for jumpers... and the place fizzed with atmosphere.

[curious]

26 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

Of course it is, I know Mills is a biscuit short of a packet but who the hell is Allan Pollitt?

Why doesn't old Millsey give Meyers, Wheeler and Co a call himself? Other than tell him he's had his time as CEO, they would tell him in half a minute if there was any hope.

It wasn't that long ago that more than half the card (4 jumping races plus a high-weight) on both the first and last days of the Grand National carnival catered for jumpers... and the place fizzed with atmosphere.

Hey Billy, I know you are a comedian as evidenced by the above post, but weren't you also a welder at one time? Surely you could patch something together to fix this.

[curious]

2 hours ago, Doomed said:

It's a pretty half arsed survey anyhow to be honest. There won't be any useful information to come out of it.

Aside from being 10 years too late, half arsed? I have a bit of experience writing research surveys. If a student of mine had presented that one I wouldn't have even commented. Just sent it back and asked them to present something that makes sense. I know plenty of 10yos that could do better.

[Doomed]

7 hours ago, Freda said:

Just let the bloody thing go North.

Sad, but - although I love the jumpers - it is a travesty to see five horses running for good money [ although, fine if you can get some of it ] .

My boy was the last horse to gain his ticket and race over jumps from this centre.  Three runs for me for a minor place, spelled for the next season - and, nothing.  No jumps races any more.  So he went to the Myers barn.  Now in new ownership, he won a steeplechase at Te Rapa a couple of months ago.

So what's the point of a survey?  Isn't it bleeding obvious?

I think its just so they can say they consulted. They have no intention of doing anything and no idea what to do anyhow.

Sadly, they are too thick to see this isn't even really about the GN, it is indicative of everything that is wrong with SI racing from a leadership perspective. The worst part of the whole thing is that SI racing could be really thriving, it has lots of actual advantages. Its biggest disadvantage is appalling leadership.

NZTR think they have done really well scaring off the Tylers, Taplins and Dennis Brothers. If they could just close down Timaru they would all qualify for their Xmas bonus. They must be so pissed off by all the winners coming out of Timaru these days.

[JTeaz]

18 minutes ago, Doomed said:

I think its just so they can say they consulted. They have no intention of doing anything and no idea what to do anyhow.

Sadly, they are too thick to see this isn't even really about the GN, it is indicative of everything that is wrong with SI racing from a leadership perspective. The worst part of the whole thing is that SI racing could be really thriving, it has lots of actual advantages. Its biggest disadvantage is appalling leadership.

NZTR think they have done really well scaring off the Tylers, Taplins and Dennis Brothers. If they could just close down Timaru they would all qualify for their Xmas bonus. They must be so pissed off by all the winners coming out of Timaru these days.

I note Wingatui has ripped out their steeplechase fences..sad...so why bother with this survey when the rest of the South has given up.

[Huey]

8 hours ago, billy connolly said:

 

Why doesn't old Millsey give Meyers, Wheeler and Co a call himself? Other than tell him he's had his time as CEO, they would tell him in half a minute if there was any hope.

 

Of course one of the issues is that lot NI or SI that lot are coming to the end of it, with no real replacements in sight.

[Freda]

6 hours ago, Doomed said:

I think its just so they can say they consulted. They have no intention of doing anything and no idea what to do anyhow.

Sadly, they are too thick to see this isn't even really about the GN, it is indicative of everything that is wrong with SI racing from a leadership perspective. The worst part of the whole thing is that SI racing could be really thriving, it has lots of actual advantages. Its biggest disadvantage is appalling leadership.

NZTR think they have done really well scaring off the Tylers, Taplins and Dennis Brothers. If they could just close down Timaru they would all qualify for their Xmas bonus. They must be so pissed off by all the winners coming out of Timaru these days.

Timaru trainers are certainly punching well above their weight.     I wonder if anyone in the echelons of management has actually noticed?

With  Aaron Tapper's stud now standing two pretty useful looking stallions, there would seem to be plenty of upside in the area.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Freda

[Freda]

6 hours ago, JTeaz said:

I note Wingatui has ripped out their steeplechase fences..sad...so why bother with this survey when the rest of the South has given up.

Sad indeed..as is the magnificent jumps course at Riverton now not wanted.    Oamaru, at one time, held jumping for Dunedin while the Otago R.C renovated their track..seems all so pointless now.

But, a wee bit unfair to say the ' south has given up'.  They had no choice.  I know that plenty - Jo Gordon for one - did an enormous amount of work  to try and retain some of our traditional structure..all to no avail.

[curious]

Just out. Jumps programming 10 days in advance.

Woodville Jumps Stakes – Sunday 2 October

If the Open Entry Steeplechase is able to be divided into two races then the Mdn Chase will be held over 3200m and the chase for winners will be over 4000m. Any Mdn jumps race run on the day will run for $30,000 and any jumps race that has winning jumpers in it will run for a stake of $40,000.