NZTR Awards 2017/18

[genz]

Here it is. The new Race Cafe aye? Everyone moans about people trying making a change because that's easier to do than actually doing anything themselves. Have spoken to one of the guys (he had glasses on) they were of the opinion that Brian was actually going to win so it was a bit of a shock for them as well. Now this isn't a knock on Brian. He has been writing that fire for years now and you are right, he is a big driving force behind making some serious changes at the governance level. BUT it's a bit rash running the BGP guys down for what they do. 

I find it interesting that everyone who is sitting around waiting for the Messara report are the same people who sat around and let this wonderful industry decline in the first place. As the world (and media) continued to change at a rapid pace, a lot of industry participants were holding on to the good old days, unable to accept that change was necessary. Where were you heroes when the racing industry started to decline? If you have no young people getting interested in racing you don't have an industry. It might get by while you lot start to hit retirement, but then what? What's left over once you're gone? How selfish is that. You have all stuffed it up for my generation. Without this BGP group none of my mates would be the slightest bit interested in horse racing. And to be honest I think all of my friends have an account with an offshore bookmaker. They still bet with the TAB, it's just split around a bit. The other bookies have a far superior product and to be frank, none of the lads really give a shit about where the money goes. Now you can say "well that's the problem right there". Well, actually, no that's not the problem. You have to wonder why would they care? Why would they possibly be loyal to an industry who has done absolutely nothing for them. Especially NZRB. I'm not the best writer so I'll turn it into a half ass story. I go and get my car serviced at the garage down the road with Bob. Now Bob is a great guy. Always doing little bits that I haven't paid for. Cleaning the inside of the car. Shining the wheels. I never ask for him to do any of that, I never expect that of him. But Bob knows giving more than you take builds loyalty. I could get my car serviced in the city for a few bucks cheaper but I don't, I can't. I'm now emotionally invested in Bob and his little garage. I will always choose Bob under reasonable circumstances. If you cannot comprehend how this works and you do run a business, I'd hate to think what people say about you and your business behind your back. Quite similar to how everyone bitch and moans about the TAB.

 

You boast about NZRB and NZTR spending large amounts on audience and engagement and storytelling? How has that being working out for them? If you look at the level of engagement on those BGP videos it is streets ahead. Far as I know, all of the content they have produced hasn't been paid for by anyone in the industry, now, it's not the most outstanding quality but the story is compelling and engaging and also I think one of their mates does some of that video work for them, for free. Funny though as everyone complains they can't do anything because there "isn't enough money". Wait. Now I think about it. Didn't they buy who shoot thebarman silks, auction them off and give the money to charity? Is that just a punters club? And now they've got 800 of their members into horse racing ownership. Is that just a punters club?

 

Facebook, Instagram,  Snapchat, YouTube. This is the new media. This is where the peoples attention is. And if that doesn't agree with you. Sit down, shut the fuck up and let everyone else do the work to save the industry.

 

Gen Z out.

 

 

 

[Thomass]

WHOA gen z....

You weren't that bloke next to Kemmys who went on stage with a bottle of piss in your mitt were you??  Really classy...but that's  gen zzzzz for you I guess...so you must be one

Cos you're sounding very much like him...still pissed

Nobodys questioning the great effort by the boyz club...and a few girls...Lacy

But as you say, Brain was favoured by his game changing possibilities articles...

...The olde Media Award would have gone to him undoubtedly...

...he's not into instagram piks and snap chatting pik ups at his age though...which is what they changed it to..

Kemmy's obviously felt some guilt on stage...in mentioning Brains great game changing media...so good humbleness there... 

You can't beat you young guns for energy and vitality though...and that's what this industry needs..as you energetically point out...so big ups

But being humble is the NZ way...so take your award, caress it, piss on it...whatever you gees do these days...

...but just remember drinking out of bottles is for Harness types...and you blokes have been to the dark side haven't you?

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Thomass

[hesi]

24 minutes ago, genz said:

Here it is. The new Race Cafe aye? Everyone moans about people trying making a change because that's easier to do than actually doing anything themselves. Have spoken to one of the guys (he had glasses on) they were of the opinion that Brian was actually going to win so it was a bit of a shock for them as well. Now this isn't a knock on Brian. He has been writing that fire for years now and you are right, he is a big driving force behind making some serious changes at the governance level. BUT it's a bit rash running the BGP guys down for what they do. 

I find it interesting that everyone who is sitting around waiting for the Messara report are the same people who sat around and let this wonderful industry decline in the first place. As the world (and media) continued to change at a rapid pace, a lot of industry participants were holding on to the good old days, unable to accept that change was necessary. Where were you heroes when the racing industry started to decline? If you have no young people getting interested in racing you don't have an industry. It might get by while you lot start to hit retirement, but then what? What's left over once you're gone? How selfish is that. You have all stuffed it up for my generation. Without this BGP group none of my mates would be the slightest bit interested in horse racing. And to be honest I think all of my friends have an account with an offshore bookmaker. They still bet with the TAB, it's just split around a bit. The other bookies have a far superior product and to be frank, none of the lads really give a shit about where the money goes. Now you can say "well that's the problem right there". Well, actually, no that's not the problem. You have to wonder why would they care? Why would they possibly be loyal to an industry who has done absolutely nothing for them. Especially NZRB. I'm not the best writer so I'll turn it into a half ass story. I go and get my car serviced at the garage down the road with Bob. Now Bob is a great guy. Always doing little bits that I haven't paid for. Cleaning the inside of the car. Shining the wheels. I never ask for him to do any of that, I never expect that of him. But Bob knows giving more than you take builds loyalty. I could get my car serviced in the city for a few bucks cheaper but I don't, I can't. I'm now emotionally invested in Bob and his little garage. I will always choose Bob under reasonable circumstances. If you cannot comprehend how this works and you do run a business, I'd hate to think what people say about you and your business behind your back. Quite similar to how everyone bitch and moans about the TAB.

 

You boast about NZRB and NZTR spending large amounts on audience and engagement and storytelling? How has that being working out for them? If you look at the level of engagement on those BGP videos it is streets ahead. Far as I know, all of the content they have produced hasn't been paid for by anyone in the industry, now, it's not the most outstanding quality but the story is compelling and engaging and also I think one of their mates does some of that video work for them, for free. Funny though as everyone complains they can't do anything because there "isn't enough money". Wait. Now I think about it. Didn't they buy who shoot thebarman silks, auction them off and give the money to charity? Is that just a punters club? And now they've got 800 of their members into horse racing ownership. Is that just a punters club?

 

Facebook, Instagram,  Snapchat, YouTube. This is the new media. This is where the peoples attention is. And if that doesn't agree with you. Sit down, shut the fuck up and let everyone else do the work to save the industry.

 

Gen Z out.

 

 

 

Some good stuff Gen(except for the last sentence), and thanks for putting a bit more meat on the bone as far as BGP is concerned.  That was one of the purposes in starting this thread.

The sarcasm is misplaced though.  BOAY was set up so everyone could express an opinion, without fear of censorship, retaliation or abuse

 

[Boxie]

All good Genz however I think you will find that what is being done isn't being done for "free"....

That's fine too.  BGP have been a breath of fresh air however I think it is unfair to point the bone at "those sitting around waiting" - "those who have done nothing"....  I'm sure people like Reefton would have have something to say about that.  A long time stalwart of racing on the West Coast who has put many many hours and no doubt cash into keeping his club going with very little help from the salaried industry.  

As have many who post on this site.

Perhaps BGP could do a field trip to the West Coast racing circuit next year (if it still exists after tonight) bringing their old toothbrushes so they can scrub down the seats in the stands before raceday.  By the way give Reefton a call - don't bother with Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Tinder, Tumblr, etc etc to get in touch with him.

Oh the irony those who awarded BGP the media award NZTR and the Philistines are why the industry is where it is today.  Can you see that irony Genz?

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Boxie

[hesi]

Lots of irony

There is also a certain amount of uncomfortableness(?) between BGP bringing NZTR(the body that administers thoroughbred racing), a whole lot more business, and NZTR giving BGP an award.

Isn't media in whatever form, mean't to be independent

[Boxie]

26 minutes ago, hesi said:

Lots of irony

There is also a certain amount of uncomfortableness(?) between BGP bringing NZTR(the body that administers thoroughbred racing), a whole lot more business, and NZTR giving BGP an award.

Isn't media in whatever form, mean't to be independent

I disagree the irony I was pointing out was that the root cause of the problem in terms of new customer engagement are presenting an award.  

Another point is that NZTR are giving an award to a group that the NZRB have snubbed according to rumour hence their off shore betting account.

[Huey]

I'm somewhat puzzled by the admiration for the group.

I get it that they are getting involved in punting, some form of ownership (I see Te Akau now on board giving free ownership into a couple of nice horses, a great way for TA to get some email addresses to hit up for ownership in the future) .

Bu there are a lot of people in this industry who have been in it for years , who have served at club level, been owners breeders , punters and race goers through the good times and the bad and they have been absolutely ignored for years and  not just recently, though I see NZTR came up with a token award for club stalwarts too little too late imo. 

The other interesting facet is that the BGP group expect to get treated like royalty at the races just through their numbers,age group etc , what about the poor owner/breeder etc who has been banging away at it for years and barely get a hello from the industry he has supported for years? 

I guess my beef isn't with the BGP crowd its with the industry itself, racing is very good at ignoring about its base for the latest shiny new thing.

I guess alot of them go to Te Aroha to help out Ted at their working bees?

[Newmarket]

Yes, Genz needs to pull his head in. 

Hardly saving nz racing by inviting clowns to a racecourse online to over indulge and bet overseas is it. In fact, i wonder how many race goers of all ages, that actually follow the game, never turn up because of these louts. 

These are just uni types organizing a trip to the races, its been happening for years. 

[Weasel]

On ‎27‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 9:15 AM, hesi said:

I'm not familiar with the BGP modus operandi, so can someone explain what they did that was so outstanding, that they got the Media award

they are using primarily social media to generate a new (younger) generation to embrace horse racing at a number of levels - betting, owning (ie syndicates)

 

[Weasel]

..and having said that... I don't think they should have won the Award either...nor should A Rodley or any of the Trackside presenters.

I had the misfortune to cop Mark Claydon (?) and Peter Early on air on Radio this arvo ...one sounds likea clothes peg is awkwardly place in his sinuses \; and the other cannot stop himself from saying the word 'there' 20 times per minute.

[Kakama]

Hardly think BGP are doing anything great...yeah OK, they organise a pissup at the races for youngies....but that's been going on for ages.

[Weasel]

4 hours ago, hesi said:

Lots of irony

There is also a certain amount of uncomfortableness(?) between BGP bringing NZTR(the body that administers thoroughbred racing), a whole lot more business, and NZTR giving BGP an award.

Isn't media in whatever form, mean't to be independent

how can Trackside content/presenters be independent when it is owned and operated by NZRB?

[Poisoned Dwarf]

On 29/08/2018 at 3:34 PM, genz said:

Here it is. The new Race Cafe aye? Everyone moans about people trying making a change because that's easier to do than actually doing anything themselves. Have spoken to one of the guys (he had glasses on) they were of the opinion that Brian was actually going to win so it was a bit of a shock for them as well. Now this isn't a knock on Brian. He has been writing that fire for years now and you are right, he is a big driving force behind making some serious changes at the governance level. BUT it's a bit rash running the BGP guys down for what they do. 

I find it interesting that everyone who is sitting around waiting for the Messara report are the same people who sat around and let this wonderful industry decline in the first place. As the world (and media) continued to change at a rapid pace, a lot of industry participants were holding on to the good old days, unable to accept that change was necessary. Where were you heroes when the racing industry started to decline? If you have no young people getting interested in racing you don't have an industry. It might get by while you lot start to hit retirement, but then what? What's left over once you're gone? How selfish is that. You have all stuffed it up for my generation. Without this BGP group none of my mates would be the slightest bit interested in horse racing. And to be honest I think all of my friends have an account with an offshore bookmaker. They still bet with the TAB, it's just split around a bit. The other bookies have a far superior product and to be frank, none of the lads really give a shit about where the money goes. Now you can say "well that's the problem right there". Well, actually, no that's not the problem. You have to wonder why would they care? Why would they possibly be loyal to an industry who has done absolutely nothing for them. Especially NZRB. I'm not the best writer so I'll turn it into a half ass story. I go and get my car serviced at the garage down the road with Bob. Now Bob is a great guy. Always doing little bits that I haven't paid for. Cleaning the inside of the car. Shining the wheels. I never ask for him to do any of that, I never expect that of him. But Bob knows giving more than you take builds loyalty. I could get my car serviced in the city for a few bucks cheaper but I don't, I can't. I'm now emotionally invested in Bob and his little garage. I will always choose Bob under reasonable circumstances. If you cannot comprehend how this works and you do run a business, I'd hate to think what people say about you and your business behind your back. Quite similar to how everyone bitch and moans about the TAB.

 

You boast about NZRB and NZTR spending large amounts on audience and engagement and storytelling? How has that being working out for them? If you look at the level of engagement on those BGP videos it is streets ahead. Far as I know, all of the content they have produced hasn't been paid for by anyone in the industry, now, it's not the most outstanding quality but the story is compelling and engaging and also I think one of their mates does some of that video work for them, for free. Funny though as everyone complains they can't do anything because there "isn't enough money". Wait. Now I think about it. Didn't they buy who shoot thebarman silks, auction them off and give the money to charity? Is that just a punters club? And now they've got 800 of their members into horse racing ownership. Is that just a punters club?

 

Facebook, Instagram,  Snapchat, YouTube. This is the new media. This is where the peoples attention is. And if that doesn't agree with you. Sit down, shut the fuck up and let everyone else do the work to save the industry.

 

Gen Z out.

 

 

 

Generation Z = Zombies who wobbled round beneath headphones while texting

[Weasel]

18 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said:

Generation Z = Zombies who wobbled round beneath headphones while texting

I don't think the moaners were moaning about just 'making a change', PD ..but there are probably more worthy contenders for that Award than BGP. As the driving force for BGP, Luke deserves recognition, eventually. But the older generation(s) you refer to, who are still passionate about the industry have given decades of time, energy, money and support to keep the industry alive.

You seem to forget that this industry is about PEOPLE and HORSES - not digital technology or money or marketing or betting.

While on that subject, Messara's Report has many worthwhile recommendation. The one I'd like reconsidered is the name: WageringNZ.

Dumb name. People will mix it up with Wages...

Someone needs to come up with something better! BETTORNZ /BETNZ / BETTERNZ  ????

 

[Ashley]

22 hours ago, Weasel said:

..and having said that... I don't think they should have won the Award either...nor should A Rodley or any of the Trackside presenters.

I had the misfortune to cop Mark Claydon (?) and Peter Early on air on Radio this arvo ...one sounds likea clothes peg is awkwardly place in his sinuses \; and the other cannot stop himself from saying the word 'there' 20 times per minute.

20 times?  More like 50. There.  The guys drives me nuts -would be THE worst broadcaster on air and the year he got the Media Award was the year the Award lost all credibility.  No wonder the criteria was changed. There.