Thomass Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Good work DIA...they're catching up to the modern world https://m.facebook.com/dia.govt.nz/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/08/29/214439/tab-to-be-sold-to-australia?preview=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Option Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Aussie TAB to take over? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nice Option said: Aussie TAB to take over? Best news ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Worst news ever, like it says in the article, our lead-in times will be affected and we'll lose any control we have over our product...closing down half of our tracks will also be a death nell to racing as we know it..we'll lose all the smaller trainers after not too much time at all..about 3years will do it. Edited August 30, 2018 by Hedley 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I disagree with that view, Hedley. "All the smaller trainers" will simply have to adjust to the challenge of relocating to where the services and facilities are ... some may not be willing to change...that's their prerogative...but you cant continue to operate 57 race tracks in a country this long and skinny with a population of 5 million... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, Hedley said: Worst news ever, like it says in the article, our lead-in times will be affected and we'll lose any control we have over our product...closing down half of our tracks will also be a death nell to racing as we know it..we'll lose all the smaller trainers after not too much time at all..about 3years will do it. Hedley, Dont think they will act on everything, why would they close kaikoura or kumara, both are run mainly by club members at little cost, cant really see many closing. I have always thought the tab should be run by with an aussie partner, but not sure about 100% giving them control, that seems a bit dangerous. I suppose thou, which aussie operator would be keen to even look at our racing the way it is, tabs outdated jetbet system? If tabcorp does take over, i can see less, if any agencies. Many questions, very few answers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 By all reports....there are others interested running tab. Look on the bright side, no longer worries on big days that tab systems crap out.....presenters won't have as much time to tip out losers...maybe get more images from Aussie racing on a sat....this is what many want. Blame it all on the oldies that made the rules on racecourses...greedy pricks that want people to join a racing club in return for over priced food + drink and shit service...never appealed to younger people, so never go involved, apart from yearly boozefeast days, where most don't see a horse racing, thanks BGP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 What a turncoat Peters has turned out to be., the King of Sovereignty sells out to the Globalists. We will be a satellite state of Australia..with a total loss of identity and control over ourselves. Well done Winston, thanks for nothing ..you've made a legacy of notoriety exposing your self as just being another bloody politician..that's all you're going to be remembered for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Good work DIA...they're catching up to the modern world https://m.facebook.com/dia.govt.nz/ Lets see if this link will allow everyone to view, i doubt it much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 anyone found it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/dia.govt.nz/ It's on now Edited August 30, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Listening to Winston rambling didn't tell us too much about it - where can we get a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 https://www.dia.govt.nz/vwluResources/Racing-Report-August-2018/%24file/Review-of-the-NZ-Racing-Industry-Report.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Newmarket said: Best news ever Yep bring on the betting bans if you are any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Recommendations Change the governance structure, so the NZRB becomes Wagering NZ with racing responsibilities devolving to the individual Codes. This will sharpen the commercial focus of TAB operations and improve the decision-making and accountability of the Codes. Establish Racing NZ as a consultative forum for the three Codes to agree on issues such as entering into commercial agreements with Wagering NZ, approving betting rules and budgets for the integrity bodies, equine health & research, etc. Change the composition and qualifications for directors of regulatory bodies. Request that a Performance and Efficiency Audit of the NZRB be initiated under section 14 of the Racing Act 2003, with particular emphasis on the operating costs of the NZRB. Amend the Section 16 distribution formula of the Racing Act 2003 to a more equitable basis for fixed 10-year terms. Initiate a special review of the structure and efficacy of the RIU and allied integrity bodies, to be conducted by an independent qualified person. Begin negotiations for the outsourcing of the TAB’s commercial activities to an international wagering operator, to gain the significant advantages of scale. Seek approval for a suite of new wagering products to increase funding for the industry. Confirm the assignment of Intellectual Property (IP) by the Clubs to the Codes. Introduce Race Field and Point Of Consumption Tax legislation expeditiously. These two measures will bring New Zealand’s racing industry into line with its Australian counterparts and provide much needed additional revenue. Repeal the existing betting levy of approximately $13 million per annum paid by the NZRB, given that the thoroughbred Code is a loss maker overall, with the net owners’ losses outweighing the NZRB’s net profit. Clarify legislation to vest Race Club property and assets to the Code regulatory bodies for the benefit of the industry as a whole. Reduce the number of thoroughbred race tracks from 48 to 28 tracks under a scheduled program. This does not require the closure of any Club Upgrade the facilities and tracks of the remaining racecourses with funds generated from the sale of surplus property resulting from track closures to provide a streamlined, modern and competitive thoroughbred racing sector capable of marketing itself globally. Construct three synthetic all-weather tracks at Cambridge, Awapuni & Riccarton with assistance from the New Zealand Government’s Provincial Growth Fund. Support the development of the Waikato Greenfields Project. Introduce robust processes to establish traceability from birth and the re-homing of the entire thoroughbred herd, as the foundation stone of the industry’s ongoing animal welfare program. Increase thoroughbred prizemoney gradually to over $100 million per annum through a simplified three-tier racing model, with payments extended to tenth place in all races. Edited August 30, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Can of worms in that lot. What's inequitable about Section 16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Winston telling whoppers???? He said he didn't ask Messara to change anything but Kumara is on the list of retained race courses. Now some of you may have been to Kumara. Those who have would be a bit amazed to see it retained given its state. Silly old Winston loves the place and I am 1000% sure would have got Messara to add it into the list. I have no argument with rationalisation but I do have an argument about consistency in making these calls. This is bullshit! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 19 hours ago, Reefton said: Listening to Winston rambling didn't tell us too much about it - where can we get a copy? why couldn't you just focus on the wonderfulness of the presenter and wonder if she and her husband are having a weight-gain competition ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: why couldn't you just focus on the wonderfulness of the presenter and wonder if she and her husband are having a weight-gain competition ? Bit of a sideshow PD but I am not Mr Universe myself so usually refrain from criticizing others appearance. And when I had a share in a TeAkau nag Karyn was always a pleasure to deal with. I wish her well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Can of worms in that lot. What's inequitable about Section 16? And what does "5. Amend the Section 16 distribution formula of the Racing Act 2003 to a more equitable basis for fixed 10-year terms." mean exactly. If anything, I am for a more equitable basis, but that isn't one that gallops would be keen on. In my view, it should be based on domestic share as it was intended - but it should be based on domestic NET share. Costs should have been apportioned from the start, so that costs associated with broadcasting/personnel etc etc are taking away from gross betting revenue domestically to see which code actually corresponds to the revenue of racing here. Income earned here on betting outside of NZ or on sports has nothing to do with any of the domestic codes. It is simply revenue and gallops has no greater right to off-shore gallops revenue that any other group. Yet I have a suspicion that Messara thinks it should. Even though it does not in Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 And 8. Seek approval for a suite of new wagering products to increase funding for the industry. is just laughable - sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Go Seabiscuit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The guy should have realised, NZ is not Australia. Tiered racing works in Australia purely due to geography. 17. Increase thoroughbred prizemoney gradually to over $100 million per annum through a simplified three-tier racing model, with payments extended to tenth place in all races. This can only work if the cost models are changed to reflect the tiers. So trainers in the top tier charge more. Horse tend to stay within tier. etc etc. Racing as we know it cannot work that way without having all tiers run independently so that horses are able to get starts in their tier when ready. We can't even get horses sufficient opportunity to run under the current model without trying to introduce a proper tiered model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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