Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Shad said: Haven't seen a plate inspector actually lift a horses foot and check plates, I'm sure this used to done many years ago, must be hard to check all four on a walk through, or is there something else they go by. We don't have horsemen involved in these things anymore unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, curious said: Be like driving up the mountain with chains on one side and a regular tyre on the other wouldn't it? Not necessarily. Depends on what type of shoe it was. A lot of racing plates are no more than a sliver of aluminium to stop hoof wear in the yard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 So, you wouldn't be concerned if they had say a steel plate on one side and aluminium on the other? Or a worn plate on one side and new on the other? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Ludwig said: What has the word, Miss, got to with anything? Miss is an honorific for addressing young women and girls but that would be over your head. Would you rather I called her Hit-or-Miss ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, billy connolly said: Miss is an honorific for addressing young women and girls but that would be over your head. Would you rather I called her Hit-or-Miss ? Ludwig probably should check with his Mrs. on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: FWYW and IMO, The jock on the winner tried to force a run on the corner, the outside was considerably bigger than the mare and held it's ground, subsequently she lost her hindquarter for a second, as he dragged her sideways to go to the fence again......am I right or wrong, lots of lounge room jocks out there, but I see it differently than most, did a depuration of midgets go up and walk around and pull grass out again? Put me out of my misery. You are dead right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Reefton said: You are dead right That's one out I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 hours ago, billy connolly said: Exactly, if the John Wayne on the winner hadn't have tried to force a run on the point of the home turn, they'd have still been racing and if he wasn't charged with careless riding the Stewards are incompetent. That was exactly what Pitty reckoned and since there was no slip mark (despite them sending five minutes trying to find one - and I was right there) it is not hard to conclude that this was not a track issue 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, curious said: Yeahh. Looks like it just got off balance and momentarily lost its footing. Didn't seem anything to do with the track surface. See what they say. No slip mark identified 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, curious said: What happens with Reefton now? Mon/Tues? Or scrapped altogether. Didn't even ask. No way would we get another day so why bother enquiring? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: Brian must be banging his head against a wall somewhere, it beggars belief this shite, does Mose control the jocks room? I wonder how many watched the replay? Did the so called stewards? I would have loved the chance to watch it frame by frame, it's now gone past being farcical, the committee at Reefton should just say, you can go to hell........why on earth would they bother anymore, It's just not worth it.......go and play golf Brian it's got to be far more enjoyable than copping this bullshit. Well I sort of think that but ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Doomed said: As I understand it the Reefton Cup is likely to be transferred to Karaka Millions day at Pukekohe. Yet to be confirmed. Geez as long as it's not the other way around , iv'e already booked my accommodation . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Shad said: Apparently winner raced without a rear plate, which could have made a difference, may have been before race and not been able to be re plated, someone will know out there. Correct. Picked up at the plate inspection but allowed to run regardless 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Mark D said: My sources tell me that it lost the plate before the race Couldn't put it back on as the horse was too fired up BUT they allowed it to race. Dodgy AF As I understand it exactly correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm sure the Secretary is pressing a case for another day. Not without consulting me he won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Tesio said: So why was the Paul Harris horse even allowed to start the race, it should have been scratched? You tell me. Unusual that it be allowed through the plate inspection without a properly fitted and in good condition racing plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Freda said: That has happened before to that set of connections - and the farrier told me himself - but at least he took the other plate off to even up the situation. Only had one missing plate this time according to the riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: I hope Brian and his committee get an apology from RIB, and some decent financial recompense, FFS this shit has to stop, racing in NZ has slipped into an abyss. Not holding my breath but I will be pushing for it. They will consign the request to the trash bin I imagine but they are going to know I have been there 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You are making an assumption that the horse slipped because it had lost a plate. Did they or did they not inspect the track? Surely the decision was based on that inspection. But I can see this becoming the racing conspiracy of 2023. Yes they inspected the track (good job I noticed them walking out so I chased them). The relevant point is despite five minutes desperate search they found no slip mark. Nothing. Not a fucking sausage! However as I say it is not me risking my neck. I am going to go through the entire sequence of events but it will be tomorrow. Quite an education but I do not want the stipes job nor the riders job 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Tesio said: Given there was concerns with the track before race 1 (they had a inspection and meeting before the 1st race) surely allowing a horse to step on the track without all 4 plates should have been a big no no regardless. Correct about the inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, Reefton said: Didn't even ask. No way would we get another day so why bother enquiring? Even then, why would you bother trying to hold it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Seems the only horse affected by the barging was the horse that barged and won. I've heard they had doubts about the track BEFORE race 1 and it was inspected. Subsequent to race 1 the track was inspected again. Who was involved in the decision? RIB, Jockeys, Trainers and Club officials? Before the decision was made the Club President was asked for his comment and (as I always will) I said if there is a safety issue there is no option. However subsequent information has thrown new light on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, billy connolly said: Reefton, Moseley caused his own mount to lose its footing by trying to barge out on the point of the home turn but the horse on his outside (light green colours) was going just as well and held its ground so Moseley had to revert back to the inside. No mention in Stewards report but I note that Miss Veronica Algar was the chair of Stewards so not surprised. More on that later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reefton said: Before the decision was made the Club President was asked for his comment and (as I always will) I said if there is a safety issue there is no option. However subsequent information has thrown new light on the subject. It's essentially the jockeys' call. Are you saying that was over-ridden? It's not taken lightly. Many have traveled and they lose a day's income though safety is of course paramount. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Nally said: I feel for the club. This is was my first trip down for the circuit and the hospitality shown by all has been well worth it. I have witnessed the drama of lost plates first hand with Kopua on Tuesday and today of course. IMO the track was fine and certainly was inspected before the race by several officials. I certainly am no expert on such matters, however my charge in the race today didn't have any problems navigating the bends. However as highlighted safety first is non negotiable and it was very scary when Lily came off on Kopua. Unfortunately no one is a winner with this outcome today. Thanks for the kind words Brian. Wish I had caught up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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