Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Shad said: Guess it will all come out, but I thought the track was in very good order, and i agree with what you say, and yet greymouth continued and apparently that was a plate issue, really feel for the club, should a horse start with out a plate or be scratched, that's beyond me I think Curious' quote of the rule covers that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, curious said: Nothing from the stewards on that attempted movement into another horse's line either. Were they watching a different race or just in a hurry to get home? More experienced judges than I concurred with that statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Reefton said: More experienced judges than I concurred with that statement So who was pulling the strings to ensure the meeting was called off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Shad said: Haven't seen a plate inspector actually lift a horses foot and check plates, I'm sure this used to done many years ago, must be hard to check all four on a walk through, or is there something else they go by. The plate inspector definitely noted the lack of a shoe. My mates were checking brands and told me so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, curious said: Even then, why would you bother trying to hold it? Fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, curious said: It's essentially the jockeys' call. Are you saying that was over-ridden? It's not taken lightly. Many have traveled and they lose a day's income though safety is of course paramount. Fair comment but pretty clear there was a lot of pressure put on riders prior to race one and subsequent. More on that later 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, curious said: Even then, why would you bother trying to hold it? Probably because I am an eternal optimist. I'm not really in fact I am one of the most negative pricks God ever put breath into but, like a lot of racing people, I always think I will win next time! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Two separate issues in a way and nothing to do with an assessment that the track was unsafe but I fail to see how a horse with a missing plate was noted at the plate inspection and allowed to race without being sent back to either be re-plated or have the other plate removed and get stewards' permission to race without them. Never seen that allowed anywhere in the world and a very dangerous precedent set in my view. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ludwig said: So who was pulling the strings to ensure the meeting was called off? Not me nor any other club official. But then again not many Clubs have a bloke like Mouse McCann who knows every South Island track like the back of his hand. Then there was Max Skelton in close vicinity who knows a bit as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, curious said: Two separate issues in a way and nothing to do with an assessment that the track was unsafe but I fail to see how a horse with a missing plate was noted at the plate inspection and allowed to race without being sent back to either be re-plated or have the other plate removed and get stewards' permission to race without them. Never seen that allowed anywhere in the world and a very dangerous precedent set in my view. Doubly so when two days previous a shoe loss caused a fall on the other very tight West Coast track (Omoto). Hard to believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Reefton said: Not me nor any other club official. But then again not many Clubs have a bloke like Mouse McCann who knows every South Island track like the back of his hand. Then there was Max Skelton in close vicinity who knows a bit as well Are you saying that Mouse and Max were pro the abandonment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 hours ago, curious said: Are you saying that Mouse and Max were pro the abandonment? No not at all. Ludwig asked who made the call on the abandonment. The Stipes did but my point was in our case the committee were entitled to a part in the decision due to having an extremely experienced former Jockey involved. When they called us in to break the bad news I asked Mouse to come with me and he told them the call was wrong. At that stage the meeting had not been abandoned officially. His view was dismissed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Reefton said: No not at all. Ludwig asked who made the call on the abandonment. The Stipes did but my point was in our case the committee were entitled to a part in the decision due to having an extremely experienced former Jockey involved. When they called us in to break the bad news I asked Mouse to come with me and he told them the call was wrong. At that stage the meeting had not been abandoned officially. His view was dismissed. That's disgraceful. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, Freda said: That's disgraceful. Was probably out there the day before coaching apprentices how to ride it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I watched the race and to me it was completive riding by Jason when Terry went to push out, right on the point of the bend and was shoved back in, but the main contributing factor was the horse being given permission to race with one hind shoe. Can they not understand how this would affect a horse's rhythm and galloping action, Has anyone tried to run at pace with one shoe on? What the saying, An ounce on the foot is worth a pound on the back? I looked at the whole race and was thinking what great order the track was presented in, going out of the straight they were just lifting the grass, which suggest to me the track was not the issue. When i had a crack at Ross Neil regarding the horse of Johnno Benners, that horse slipped and spread itself and going down on its nose, now that was a track that was not safe for racing. I am of the opinion the 3 Stewards must be asked a question and maybe some riders should consider retirement. Kevin Morton 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 Geez next you'll all be saying that half the abandonments shouldn't have been! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Reefton said: Fair comment but pretty clear there was a lot of pressure put on riders prior to race one and subsequent. More on that later That view is gaining currency and doing the rounds. Who put pressure on and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 38 minutes ago, muzenza365 said: I watched the race and to me it was completive riding by Jason when Terry went to push out, right on the point of the bend and was shoved back in, but the main contributing factor was the horse being given permission to race with one hind shoe. Can they not understand how this would affect a horse's rhythm and galloping action, Has anyone tried to run at pace with one shoe on? What the saying, An ounce on the foot is worth a pound on the back? I looked at the whole race and was thinking what great order the track was presented in, going out of the straight they were just lifting the grass, which suggest to me the track was not the issue. When i had a crack at Ross Neil regarding the horse of Johnno Benners, that horse slipped and spread itself and going down on its nose, now that was a track that was not safe for racing. I am of the opinion the 3 Stewards must be asked a question and maybe some riders should consider retirement. Kevin Morton I think you and I both have a track record of not supporting races being run where tracks are suspect or dangerous and certainly not by sending horses and riders out to test their safety. From my observations though and info to hand, this was not one of those cases. How the hell did a horse get to run with only one hind plate and how could a track inspection before the first deem the track as safe and one after deem it not with no evidence of any horse slipping? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Fact -every year hundreds of horses race with a plate missing -they lose them during the running and I cannor recall mention of any of them slipping. The stewards will always abandon a meeting if there is the slightest suggestion of danger -they could face serious charges if they make a mistake [White island an example] so they take the safe option and abandon rather than take a risk [just like a Vets option at the starting gates, cannot be wrong with a scratching] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Reefton said: Not me nor any other club official. But then again not many Clubs have a bloke like Mouse McCann who knows every South Island track like the back of his hand. Then there was Max Skelton in close vicinity who knows a bit as well FFS, that says it all really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Having been licensed in VIC, NSW, QLD and NZ, I too have never ever seen this or experienced it, I've asked a few trainers here re this and they too agree, it's a fucking disgrace to put it mildly. Back in the day [60'/ 70's] the starter/vet used to have farrier gear around at the start, no horses were re-shod/plated behind the gates, if a horse lost a plate going around to the gates the other was just pulled off, progress is a beautiful thing, in this case it's plain fucking ugly, np progress here, just stupid and arrogance from a panel of incompetents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: Having been licensed in VIC, NSW, QLD and NZ, I too have never ever seen this or experienced it, I've asked a few trainers here re this and they too agree, it's a fucking disgrace to put it mildly. Back in the day [60'/ 70's] the starter/vet used to have farrier gear around at the start, no horses were re-shod/plated behind the gates, if a horse lost a plate going around to the gates the other was just pulled off, progress is a beautiful thing, in this case it's plain fucking ugly, np progress here, just stupid and arrogance from a panel of incompetents. I presume it stepped on and lost the plate between being saddled and the plate inspection. Would be pretty obvious to trainer and staff when you walked it out otherwise. Pretty sure the farrier is always at the start here so could have removed the other plate there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Nothing makes sense. I'm looking forward to seeing Reefton's chronology of events. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Stipes report now says "MADISON ROSE (T Moseley) - Lost the right hind plate in the saddling area which was unable to be reattached due to the mare being fractious. Lost its footing rounding the final turn near the 225 metres with the left hind leg having slipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 16 hours ago, Reefton said: Not me nor any other club official. But then again not many Clubs have a bloke like Mouse McCann who knows every South Island track like the back of his hand. Then there was Max Skelton in close vicinity who knows a bit as well Jimmy Walker and David Wash were both there too. One or two wins among that lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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