Tesio Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: 28 black type wins last year not 33. Do your figures include OZ black type? What's your point? Wrong…Te Akau 33 black type in nz last season Quote
Tesio Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 1290 starts this season for Te Akau…An extra 537 starters this season vs last season, yet same number of black type wins……Chief i think my point is pretty obvious Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tesio said: Wrong…Te Akau 33 black type in nz last season That's not what it says on the NZTR site. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Tesio said: 1290 starts this season for Te Akau…An extra 537 starters this season vs last season, yet same number of black type wins……Chief i think my point is pretty obvious Well then state it. BTW just a fine point the metric you are quoting is "starts" NOT "starters". Quote
Tesio Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's not what it says on the NZTR site. How about you add Marks record to Jamie to get “Te Akau” total numbers for last season….then come back to me Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tesio said: How about you add Marks record to Jamie to get “Te Akau” total numbers for last season….then come back to me Ok. Done that. What's your point? Are you comparing trainers or stables? Quote
Tesio Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 On 7/28/2023 at 7:55 PM, Chief Stipe said: Not that many actually. I'd rather have the stakes and Grp wins. $41k average stakes per win. 20% decrease on the previous season 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tesio said: 20% decrease on the previous season Are you comparing stables or trainers? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tesio said: 20% decrease on the previous season I suggest you double check that figure. Quote
Tesio Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I suggest you double check that figure. Te Akau ave stake per win last season was $49,145…….and as you say $41k this season…..what do i need to double check Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Tesio said: Te Akau ave stake per win last season was $49,145…….and as you say $41k this season…..what do i need to double check Regardless what's your point? Are you comparing trainers or stables? Quote
holy ravioli Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Regardless what's your point? Are you comparing trainers or stables? He's comparing seasons results.You have stated black type and earnings as a measure,he has presented his evidence. You know the drill,pick yourself up,wipe that egg off your face....and try.....😀 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: He's comparing seasons results.You have stated black type and earnings as a measure,he has presented his evidence. You know the drill,pick yourself up,wipe that egg off your face....and try.....😀 We don't know what he is comparing. You were diminishing the efforts of Walker and Te Akau and now you are scrambling for any support you can get even if it isn't relevant to your initial argument. Which is what you need to do because on all measures Walker was streets ahead of the opposition this season. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Author Posted July 30, 2023 @holy ravioli and @Tesio did you stop to think why there were more Te Akau starts this year? Quote
Tesio Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: We don't know what he is comparing. You were diminishing the efforts of Walker and Te Akau and now you are scrambling for any support you can get even if it isn't relevant to your initial argument. Which is what you need to do because on all measures Walker was streets ahead of the opposition this season. You might want to double check that statement, “on all measures walker was streets ahead”……..a number of other trainers have higher ave stakes per winners and black type wins per total stable starts. Get your blinkers off and go have a good look at other trainers stat’s, e.g Forsman, Sharrock, Roger James, Latta, Noble, etc. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted July 31, 2023 Author Posted July 31, 2023 53 minutes ago, Tesio said: You might want to double check that statement, “on all measures walker was streets ahead”……..a number of other trainers have higher ave stakes per winners and black type wins per total stable starts. Get your blinkers off and go have a good look at other trainers stat’s, e.g Forsman, Sharrock, Roger James, Latta, Noble, etc. You still haven't answered what was the point of comparing Te Akau's last two seasons? Quote
holy ravioli Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: We don't know what he is comparing. You were diminishing the efforts of Walker and Te Akau and now you are scrambling for any support you can get even if it isn't relevant to your initial argument. Which is what you need to do because on all measures Walker was streets ahead of the opposition this season. I said it is a numbers game and ...it..is. I said SR was more important AFAIC....and it ..is. On Tesio's figures of earnings,TA have gone backwards compared to their previous year. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted August 1, 2023 Author Posted August 1, 2023 On 31/07/2023 at 3:53 PM, holy ravioli said: I said it is a numbers game and ...it..is. What numbers? On 31/07/2023 at 3:53 PM, holy ravioli said: I said SR was more important So where did Te Akau fail on strike rate? On 31/07/2023 at 3:53 PM, holy ravioli said: AFAIC....and it ..is. What is AFAIC? On 31/07/2023 at 3:53 PM, holy ravioli said: On Tesio's figures of earnings,TA have gone backwards compared to their previous year. So are you comparing trainers or stables? From what I can see Te Akau have earned $2m more than the previous season. What am I missing? Quote
Freda Posted August 6, 2023 Posted August 6, 2023 On 29/07/2023 at 10:09 AM, MaltedMilkshake said: Considering the parlous state of NZ racing, if Mark Walker wasn’t training this amount of winners, then we should all give it away…it’s a team effort, so congratulations to all the hard working staff… he has access to the MOST number of horses, the BEST bred horses, the first choice of ordinary jockeys and GREAT staff, no financial worries…..so please…keep perspective… Yes, exactly. The great staff mentioned above aren't going to radically change their routine regardless of who comes and goes at the top. The system works, and well, from Karen and D.E at the top, through the various foremen/women, through the trackriders, strappers, and the muckers-out. Every stable - without exception - has its up and downs, the promise of the newly-purchased young stock may or may not come to fruition, irrespective of who is in the drivers' seat, and that's life. 1 Quote
Gammalite Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 3:52 AM, Freda said: Every stable - without exception - has its up and downs, the promise of the newly-purchased young stock may or may not come to fruition, irrespective of who is in the drivers' seat, and that's life. Hi Freda . What do you think of a stable having a large International contingent racing under the same Banner? I want to back SANS DOUTE at Moonee Valley tonight R7 , but if the Trainer Mr Walker (and his regular team of Support staff) that get All those great results in NewZealand haven't put the 'polish' on him, his chances are probably reduced somewhat ? . (by dodgey Oz staff 😆) can mr Walker can't claim wins continually in both countries as we progress ? you can't be 2 places ? Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hi Freda . What do you think of a stable having a large International contingent racing under the same Banner? I want to back SANS DOUTE at Moonee Valley tonight R7 , but if the Trainer Mr Walker (and his regular team of Support staff) that get All those great results in NewZealand haven't put the 'polish' on him, his chances are probably reduced somewhat ? . (by dodgey Oz staff 😆) can mr Walker can't claim wins continually in both countries as we progress ? you can't be 2 places ? Bosson back over there, riding it...and the odds on pop in the..last. 1 Quote
Freda Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hi Freda . What do you think of a stable having a large International contingent racing under the same Banner? I want to back SANS DOUTE at Moonee Valley tonight R7 , but if the Trainer Mr Walker (and his regular team of Support staff) that get All those great results in NewZealand haven't put the 'polish' on him, his chances are probably reduced somewhat ? . (by dodgey Oz staff 😆) can mr Walker can't claim wins continually in both countries as we progress ? you can't be 2 places ? I'm not au fait with Oz rules, but clearly there is no compliance issue with T.A and Walker. Ben Gleeson is an extremely able horseman in his own right, and the staff, as mentioned earlier, are also top class. There should be no problem whatsoever with the horse you want to back, I guess it depends on how well it adapts to conditions. But I'm sure he wouldn't line up if there was any doubt. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 5, 2023 Author Posted October 5, 2023 53 minutes ago, Gammalite said: can mr Walker can't claim wins continually in both countries as we progress ? you can't be 2 places ? No different to Chris Waller having stables in two or three states in Australia. 1 Quote
Gammalite Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: No different to Chris Waller having stables in two or three states in Australia. Yeah I don't know how they do it. .....seems a pretty tricky job running your eyes over the horse in front of you , let alone what is happening with the one interstate. I guess it's possible if he they can face-time the track riders with the instructions and that ?. Waller with about 700 horses 100 staff? he must have staff and horses he barely knows anything about ??. these stables Just too Big almost IMO . Te Akau going the same now ?? but i'm from harness racing and we Not only knew All the horses and staff well , we knew All the owners well too , and they'd pop over on Sundays to see and pat their horses and bring the family so you even knew them too. In todays 'Syndicate owners world , you don't even meet some of your fellow owners these days. Quite sad really. Quote
The Centaur Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Gammalite said: Hi Freda . What do you think of a stable having a large International contingent racing under the same Banner? I want to back SANS DOUTE at Moonee Valley tonight R7 , but if the Trainer Mr Walker (and his regular team of Support staff) that get All those great results in NewZealand haven't put the 'polish' on him, his chances are probably reduced somewhat ? . (by dodgey Oz staff 😆) can mr Walker can't claim wins continually in both countries as we progress ? you can't be 2 places ? You make an interesting point re "polish". Some trainers cut a fine line when it comes to pre race "extras". I note the Te Akau horses not always polished off but obviously compensated by superb conditioning. Would seem the Te Akau policy is just take no chances. Just imagine Karynn walking through the stables and seeing something questionable. Quote
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