Reefton Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Good afternoon everyone It appears I have exhausted every avenue to get fair treatment for the Club(the Minister has replied again this morning washing his hands of any responsibility to drag them into line) in regards the disgraceful treatment we received on January 5th. Is there any interest from the BOAY community in seeing the various to and fro that has led to this point of utter frustration. It is long winded and at times aggressive(on my part) but by hell I am pissed off with this Not going to bother if nobody is interested but these guys need to be hauled into line. They continually make pricks of themselves and the industry and it needs to come out. I will await reaction Brian Molloy 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I would be interested in seeing the process Brian. I have largely given up bothering about how the industry is run any more, but it does no harm to confirm my suspicion that they moved on from being largely incompetent to now being closer to corrupt. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Yes, please let everyone see the discourse. Like Doomed, I think we need to be made aware of the quality of this organization and by association, the others by which we are overseen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I am in 100% agreement to see the correspondence you have had with the RIU and also their replies if any. We have had many issues with integrity within the RIU over the years. I will go into some detail with Posters if this thread gets any traction, including the charges laid against me, which failed and cost the RIU thousands of dollars in costs after bringing frivolous charges against me. Curious has the detail as well, as he was a part of the defense team with his important research of the case. So let's get behind the Reefton Jockey Club and expose the cover-up that appears to have been done by the RIU. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Brian, I would be keen to read, having had my own battles with this mob. Again, what we’re battling is the gross lack of accountability (and integrity) across the board…at every level…. There is the need for a “royal commission” style hearing but as we know this would never happen as it would bring the industry down… full of admiration for your efforts in trying to secure the right outcome for your club…even though it’s just common sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 23 hours ago, Reefton said: It appears I have exhausted every avenue to get fair treatment for the Club(the Minister has replied again this morning washing his hands of any responsibility to drag them into line) in regards the disgraceful treatment we received on January 5th. What is your actual grievance, Reefton? After a horse looses its footing there is little chance of a race meeting proceeding in today's environment and with rain on race morning you would've been fortunate to get through your meeting unscathed anyway. Was it Oatham or Miss Veronica Algar who abandoned the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: What is your actual grievance, Reefton? After a horse looses its footing there is little chance of a race meeting proceeding in today's environment and with rain on race morning you would've been fortunate to get through your meeting unscathed anyway. Was it Oatham or Miss Veronica Algar who abandoned the meeting? What horse lost it's footing? One getting back on the float for the long trip home? Like Muzenza, I'm a strong advocate for health and safety of horses and riders and them not being put at risk in race conditions to test the security of the footing. Nothing like that appears to have happened here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 29/07/2023 at 10:19 AM, MaltedMilkshake said: Brian, I would be keen to read, having had my own battles with this mob. Again, what we’re battling is the gross lack of accountability (and integrity) across the board…at every level…. There is the need for a “royal commission” style hearing but as we know this would never happen as it would bring the industry down… full of admiration for your efforts in trying to secure the right outcome for your club…even though it’s just common sense. royal commission is dead right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) right well as a starter here is the link to the race video. https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/51371/1/Race-Detail.aspx Take note everyone of the actions of the rider behind the leader from the 400m to approximately 250m mark. Ironically it won the race. If more experienced judges than I could also carefully count the number of instance were horses are seen to 'slip' or lose their footing throughout this event(this becomes relevant in due course) And the Judicial report. https://loveracing.nz/RaceInfo/51371/Meeting-Overview.aspx Careful note needs to be taken of exactly what the judicial report says because it becomes relevant in later correspondence with these people. Edited July 30, 2023 by Reefton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 And the initial RIB 'report' into this saga received the next day. Veronica Algar, named as the Chief Steward of the day, is the signatory to this. I think she was thrown under the bus by the Chief Stipendiary Steward of NZ who was in attendance and clearly in total control of the day's proceedings '5 January 2023 Reefton Jockey Club – Thursday 5 January 2023 Report into the abandonment at Reefton JC, Thursday 5 January. Mark Davidson and I walked the track on Wednesday afternoon and took core samples which showed reasonable moisture in the soil. We were advised by club officials that they had been irrigating subsequent to the Harness meeting on 30 December up until Tuesday midday. On race day the RIB Stipendiary Stewards officiating were Veronica Algar (Chair), John Oatham, Mark Davidson. 7 races were scheduled with the track rating a Good 4 and the rail in the True position. Around 45 minutes before the start of Race 1, steady rain began to fall, with Stewards undertaking an inspection of the track with senior rider representatives. A meeting was then held with all jockeys that were on course, with all riders indicating they were comfortable to ride at that point. Riders were further questioned behind the barriers following their preliminary with no riders expressing any concerns. When reviewing films immediately following the race it was apparent the winner MADISON ROSE, ridden by senior rider T Moseley, had lost its footing rounding the final turn into the home straight near the 225 metres. MADISON ROSE had entered the mounting yard prior to the race minus the right hind plate, with the oncourse farrier advising he had been unable to attach the plate due to the mare’s unruly behaviour when attempting to do so. When questioned by Stewards rider T Moseley advised, he had no issue riding the mare minus of the right hind plate. It is common practice to allow a horse to race without a back plate in similar circumstances. The Stewards panel on the day are satisfied that racing without the right hind plate had not been the reason for this incident with MADISON ROSE, clearly having slipped on the left hind leg. Stewards again convened a track inspection committee involving rider and club representatives which found some evidence of movement in several areas of the track. Following a further meeting with all riders, where films were again reviewed it was apparent that a number of riders had concerns and with the Stewards sharing those concerns a decision was made by the Stewards to abandon the remainder of the programme. Veronica Algar Stipendiary Steward' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) The Clubs initial response. More tomorrow 20230106162747.pdf Edited July 30, 2023 by Reefton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Pretty obvious what happened. No slipping involved. Appears to have also hit the rear of the leader and possibly clipped heels. Unfortunately, it's a shame the stewards vision is such poor quality (a pet peeve of mine sorry). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 11 hours ago, Reefton said: The Clubs initial response. More tomorrow 20230106162747.pdf 189.11 kB · 8 downloads Well constructed letter I thought, I look forward to the response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Doomed said: Well constructed letter I thought, I look forward to the response. The response(and further correspondence) is where it really gets frustrating the codes safety training is the thing this prick sent me. Couldn't find the section on how to deal with a situation where no safety issue existed RIB Letter to RJC 11 1 23 re raceday abandonment Codes Safety Training-1.pptx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 try it again RIB Letter to RJC 11 1 23 re raceday abandonment Codes Safety Training-2.pptx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 You can regurgitate this event forever and a day but the fact of the matter is the horse in question did falter/stumble on the point of the home turn when trying to force a run on the outside of the leader. In my view Moseley should have been on the mat for careless riding but the half-baked, blind, incompetent stewards failed to recognize this. Reefton, I admire your loyalty and perseverance towards this club but your track along with both Kumara and Greymouth are sub-standard, second-rate bull rings who are fortunate to have a permit to race... on prime holiday race dates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, billy connolly said: You can regurgitate this event forever and a day but the fact of the matter is the horse in question did falter/stumble on the point of the home turn when trying to force a run on the outside of the leader. In my view Moseley should have been on the mat for careless riding but the half-baked, blind, incompetent stewards failed to recognize this. Reefton, I admire your loyalty and perseverance towards this club but your track along with both Kumara and Greymouth are sub-standard, second-rate bull rings who are fortunate to have a permit to race... on prime holiday race dates. I have always acknowledged the deficiencies of the West Coast tracks but the fact remains people(patrons) want to go there(including I might add plenty of Cantabrians - there will be plenty at any given Kumara Meeting who would never turn up to Riccarton or any other Canterbury venue). I really am not interested in your opinions on whether we have the right to the meetings or the dates or indeed the worth of the tracks. This thread is about the BS the RIB is dishing up to justify their actions that day NZTR and co have had plenty of goes at taking those dates away but we fight them off every time. Chittick tried to do it 25 years ago and Saundry five years ago - both failed. Whats more anyone from Canterbury should be a tad sheepish after what was dished up on your biggest raceday of the year last year 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: You can regurgitate this event forever and a day but the fact of the matter is the horse in question did falter/stumble on the point of the home turn when trying to force a run on the outside of the leader. In my view Moseley should have been on the mat for careless riding but the half-baked, blind, incompetent stewards failed to recognize this. Reefton, I admire your loyalty and perseverance towards this club but your track along with both Kumara and Greymouth are sub-standard, second-rate bull rings who are fortunate to have a permit to race... on prime holiday race dates. Are you suggesting these "prime holiday race dates" should be coducted on the Riccarton AWT? That is afterall the SI's flashest track, and in the largest population area: albeit a mere provincial area in terms of the PGF. The only worry being that this is a club that has given away all its prime holiday dates, such as Waitangi day and Easter Monday, over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 Reefton's response to the last RIB letter(11 1 23) 20230116074157.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: Reefton, I admire your loyalty and perseverance towards this club but your track along with both Kumara and Greymouth are sub-standard, second-rate bull rings who are fortunate to have a permit to race... on prime holiday race dates. That's a bit rough. There are lots of similar tracks in Australia and they actually promote those meetings. I wonder if that's why the industry in OZ has a strong fan base! Been a number of top class Jockey's who learnt their craft on those West Coast bush tracks! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, Reefton said: Whats more anyone from Canterbury should be a tad sheepish after what was dished up on your biggest raceday of the year last year Which they have done many times before and continue to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 31, 2023 Author Share Posted July 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's a bit rough. There are lots of similar tracks in Australia and they actually promote those meetings. I wonder if that's why the industry in OZ has a strong fan base! Been a number of top class Jockey's who learnt their craft on those West Coast bush tracks! Precisely and there were a few vastly experienced riders there that day who were totally completely and utterly in support of the Club. Obviously David Walsh, Max Skelton, Ron McCann, Jim Walker(have to admit I don't know him and did not talk to him about it but I do know he was there), Willie Harnett, Maria Hampton. Indeed if the Coast tracks are of such a state that they do not deserve to be raced on that in itself is an indictment on the RIB and its predecessors. That lends itself to the suggestion they treat Jockeys as crash test dummies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 31, 2023 Author Share Posted July 31, 2023 43 minutes ago, Doomed said: Are you suggesting these "prime holiday race dates" should be coducted on the Riccarton AWT? That is afterall the SI's flashest track, and in the largest population area: albeit a mere provincial area in terms of the PGF. The only worry being that this is a club that has given away all its prime holiday dates, such as Waitangi day and Easter Monday, over the years. The trouble with running them on the AWT Doomed is the fact that the oncourse turnover will be $20k versus our venues where it is four five or fifteen times that amount. People want the country venues and that is the original basis and birthplace of NZ racing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzza Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Reefton said: try it again RIB Letter to RJC 11 1 23 re raceday abandonment 134.39 kB · 6 downloads Codes Safety Training-2.pptx 1.92 MB · 1 download Can't get the RIB letter to open. It does not appear to have a file extension, or is it just me. the other files are ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Reefton said: I really am not interested in your opinions on whether we have the right to the meetings or the dates or indeed the worth of the tracks. This thread is about the BS the RIB is dishing up to justify their actions that day Sorry squire, you've got my educated opinion whether you like it or not. 2 hours ago, Doomed said: Are you suggesting these "prime holiday race dates" should be coducted on the Riccarton AWT? That is afterall the SI's flashest track, and in the largest population area Ridiculous, Canterbury is deserted over the Christmas holiday period. Note Omakau, who I rate as the best country track in the South Island with a huge populous of holiday makers in the vicinity has been done away with altogether. Back in the racing's halcyon days more people frequented Omakau races (in great summer weather) than they did Kumara. 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Been a number of top class Jockey's who learnt their craft on those West Coast bush tracks! Yes, Leo Molloy was one, what are his views on/of the approx 1000 metres zero cambered Reefton track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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