the galah Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) I'm not a subscriber to peter profit but do occasionally look at his headlines and one that catches the eye is his recent reference to the horses being exported to china.I don't have access to what he has written. Its a topic that i have always found very interesting. Anyone who bothers to have a look at the recent HRNZ exported list must have noticed something odd is going on with the exports to china.Every horse exported to china was female. Numbers wise more than half of the total number of harness horses exported last month from nz went to china. (more than australia) I posted on this topic 3-4 years ago. At the time my comments were viewed as one for the conspiracy theorists,but is peter profit suggesting he has information confirming my theory. The topic i raised was about the possiblilty that the mares/fillies exported to china and in particular inner mongolia, could be destined to a rather frightening eventual fate. To remind people,4-5 years ago swine flu hit the world and china being the biggest producer and consumer of pork was especially hard hit.Between 2018-2019 it was estimated the number of pigs dropped by 225 million, pigs either died or were put down due to the swine flu. Fast forward to today and chinas pig numbers have bounced back to their highest in 5 years. This year china is estimated to have over 452 million pigs,which is over half the worlds total pig population. So whats the connection with nz harness horses.. Well there is massive demand for the pmsg hormone(pregnant mare serum gonadotropin) which when used with progestogen promotes regular ovulation and maintaining pregnancy in pigs and other livestock.In other words pigs ovulate on command so they produce more offspring.It tricks the bodies into producing larger litters of pigs and brings them back into season quicker. So pregnant horses produce this pmsg,known as red gold,early in their pregnancy up to 140 days.Mares being used for this purpose are generally aborted and then reserved so they can again fall pregnant and start the pmsg cycle again. Disturbingly, malnourished mares produce more concentrated pmsg hormone. So given the northern part of china and in particular inner mongolia are the areas in china which have seen big increases in pig farms, is it not beyond being considered a reasonable assumption that if they aren't going to race,WHY WOULDN"T THEY end up at these blood farms. They are so VALUABLE as producers of this hormone. If those exported do give birth,what is the fate of their progeny. Going by what i have read,it seems if they are female they pretty much end up the same as their mothers. Now these blood farms seemingly are all around the world. I knew of one not far from where i once lived. Very secretitive and it eventually moved to way under the southern alps,a long way from prying eyes.I was told it wasn't a big deal in nz at the time and at least in nz they would have some type of regulations and cruelty oversight,but overseas many countries don't. Big pharma worldwide apparently make big money off the blood farms.As to the pig farmers,for example its estimated 4 out 5 german sows have the horse hormone used on them. So its not just china,but china do have some unusual traditions. Like it was only about 10 years ago that china was blamed for cutting africas donkey population in half as they sought to use the donkeys in their medicines. But its china who are taking the nz horses and in particular the areas in china. Which leads to the inevitable. Here i was last week getting this email form HRNZ about a horse in my care that i had given away to a good home 20 years ago.Fair enough,they should keep records,but surely people must be able to see the double standards as relates to all the mares that are being exported to china.Does anyone seriously believe they are going to china for harness racing. It does make you wonder about how the horse is often treated as just a commodity by many. Edited July 31, 2023 by the galah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brodie Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 13 hours ago, the galah said: I'm not a subscriber to peter profit but do occasionally look at his headlines and one that catches the eye is his recent reference to the horses being exported to china.I don't have access to what he has written. Its a topic that i have always found very interesting. Anyone who bothers to have a look at the recent HRNZ exported list must have noticed something odd is going on with the exports to china.Every horse exported to china was female. Numbers wise more than half of the total number of harness horses exported last month from nz went to china. (more than australia) I posted on this topic 3-4 years ago. At the time my comments were viewed as one for the conspiracy theorists,but is peter profit suggesting he has information confirming my theory. The topic i raised was about the possiblilty that the mares/fillies exported to china and in particular inner mongolia, could be destined to a rather frightening eventual fate. To remind people,4-5 years ago swine flu hit the world and china being the biggest producer and consumer of pork was especially hard hit.Between 2018-2019 it was estimated the number of pigs dropped by 225 million, pigs either died or were put down due to the swine flu. Fast forward to today and chinas pig numbers have bounced back to their highest in 5 years. This year china is estimated to have over 452 million pigs,which is over half the worlds total pig population. So whats the connection with nz harness horses.. Well there is massive demand for the pmsg hormone(pregnant mare serum gonadotropin) which when used with progestogen promotes regular ovulation and maintaining pregnancy in pigs and other livestock.In other words pigs ovulate on command so they produce more offspring.It tricks the bodies into producing larger litters of pigs and brings them back into season quicker. So pregnant horses produce this pmsg,known as red gold,early in their pregnancy up to 140 days.Mares being used for this purpose are generally aborted and then reserved so they can again fall pregnant and start the pmsg cycle again. Disturbingly, malnourished mares produce more concentrated pmsg hormone. So given the northern part of china and in particular inner mongolia are the areas in china which have seen big increases in pig farms, is it not beyond being considered a reasonable assumption that if they aren't going to race,WHY WOULDN"T THEY end up at these blood farms. They are so VALUABLE as producers of this hormone. If those exported do give birth,what is the fate of their progeny. Going by what i have read,it seems if they are female they pretty much end up the same as their mothers. Now these blood farms seemingly are all around the world. I knew of one not far from where i once lived. Very secretitive and it eventually moved to way under the southern alps,a long way from prying eyes.I was told it wasn't a big deal in nz at the time and at least in nz they would have some type of regulations and cruelty oversight,but overseas many countries don't. Big pharma worldwide apparently make big money off the blood farms.As to the pig farmers,for example its estimated 4 out 5 german sows have the horse hormone used on them. So its not just china,but china do have some unusual traditions. Like it was only about 10 years ago that china was blamed for cutting africas donkey population in half as they sought to use the donkeys in their medicines. But its china who are taking the nz horses and in particular the areas in china. Which leads to the inevitable. Here i was last week getting this email form HRNZ about a horse in my care that i had given away to a good home 20 years ago.Fair enough,they should keep records,but surely people must be able to see the double standards as relates to all the mares that are being exported to china.Does anyone seriously believe they are going to china for harness racing. It does make you wonder about how the horse is often treated as just a commodity by many. Yes very questionable why they are all female? Seems an expensive way buying NZ racehorses though, why couldnt they just import any old female hacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Yes very questionable why they are all female? Seems an expensive way buying NZ racehorses though, why couldnt they just import any old female hacks? they abort the foals and use fecole blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 5 hours ago, paleface adios said: they abort the foals and use fecole blood So isnt it an expensive exercise buying standardbred mares?? Why are they not just breeding with hack mares not racehorses? What type of stallion would they use? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brodie said: So isnt it an expensive exercise buying standardbred mares?? Why are they not just breeding with hack mares not racehorses? What type of stallion would they use? Who really has the answers for what happens in china. Thats the point.. Theres an undeniable link between pregnant female horses and the use of a product taken from their blood to help reproduction in livestock,primarily pigs. Currently china is importing 100% female horses from nz. Maybe its the free trade agreement that helps. Nz was one of only 26 countries that had one with china in 2022. Chinas the largest importer of donkeys yet they have the 2nd highest number in the world.China still this year importing as many donkeys as they can get their hands on from africa.Africa has the most donkeys in the world(ethiopia having the most) . Many african countries now have banned the legal donkey trade with china due to it pushing the donkeys prices too high in their countries.. horses were listed as the 559th most traded product in the world. Canada seems to rank 8th as the exporter of horse meat.European countries are their biggest markets. Canada now has a lucrative live horse export market with japan.They get fattened up and sold for horsemeat. Those horses reportedly sell for between $8-9,000 in japan.Thats canadian $ so would be about $11,000 nz dollars. So obviously if the horse is valued at something similar for the horsemeat in a country like china,then surely it follows they would be valued far greater if they could be used in a blood farm. Its a strange old world sometimes. All about the money i suppose. Edited August 1, 2023 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, the galah said: Its a strange old world sometimes. All about the money i suppose. Um.....you're not suggesting that everyone races a horse NOT to earn money? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 I might not be on here much anymore. I am off to start a donkey breeding operation! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 On 4/08/2023 at 5:32 PM, Nowornever said: I might not be on here much anymore. I am off to start a donkey breeding operation! Don't make an ass of yourself now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 6, 2023 Author Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) I see since 19 july 48 harness horses have been exported to china from nz. of the 48... 43 are mares or fillies,12 are aged 9-11.. 1 is aged 13 but she was sold with yearling filly foal as well. 5 males.. but 1 of those is 1yo and with its mother. The other are No terror(4yo 4win n stallion) ,2 yearling colts,one of whom its half sister was exported earlier in the year. 1 3yo colt. Thats a lot of horses going to china. 28 went to australia and the USA in that time frame. theres a handful of mares who had been racing this season.I would say theres a definite patter in most of the type of mares being sold. I guess when it comes to the figures when it comes to what happens to many of the harness horses once they are no longer racing propositions,hrnz can say ... number were exported rather than are now dead i suppose. Maybe some will claim its better for the horses that way,hopefully some do end up in good homes,but that seems very debatable. No one is coming forward with any knowledge of their fate. Edited August 6, 2023 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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