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FROM NZTR Kingsclere Stables has confirmed that, in the best interests of the horse’s welfare, Dealt With has been withdrawn from competing in The NZB Kiwi. NZTR is working closely with Slot Holders Kerri Spence Bloodstock & Clotworthy Racing to secure a replacement runner for the race. Further updates will be provided as they become available.

You're splitting hairs @curious. I might have a @Scooby3051 moment and moderate you! Just Joking! When was the last $3.5 million dollar maiden race? Sure there has been a Cox Plate won by a maiden (Shamus Award) but the Cox Plate isn't a maiden.

There either is a correlation or there isn't.

Seriously what is the correlation between Stakes won and the class of the race in NZ now?

I don't consider $'s a factor in determining a rating.

Seems a complex way of saying "the trainer of the horse at the time of the sale and transfer of funds shall be paid 10% of the purchase price." Interesting though that it doesn't cover the sale of horse for breeding purposes.

Wow - oh the irony. So as long as he is honourable in his business dealings with you personally you have no issues with what he says online? His posts are abusive, often misogynist, derogatory and border on slander. The other irony is that when it suits he is happy to mingle with the very people he abuses day in day out.

Since when have Hong Kong started buying fillies?

There'll be lots of aftermaths.

The point I was making was she had that rating BEFORE today's Group 2 win i.e. are 3 Group wins in a row.

Advisory group call after pattern woes www.racing.com The appointment of an advisory group providing a crucial quality control mechanism could prove the answer to Australian racing’s pattern woes, in light of a recent ruling by the Asian Racing Federation (ARF) to not recognise black-type upgrades for 17 NSW races. It was confirmed in an article at the weekend by ANZ Bloodstock that the ARF had rejected the black-type upgrades for the 17 races, of which 15 have already been run and won in NSW. These include pop-up races such as The Gong, The Hunter, the Big Dance and the Five Diamonds and a juvenile race the Golden Gift, which was won by the current second favourite for the Golden Slipper Stakes in the colt North England. The implications of the ARF rebuke are already serious when considering the inflated or deflated value of the horses involved in the races and the matter of weight penalties and ratings to be carried into future races. Notably, some other states in Australia other than NSW have not taken into account these supposed 'black-type' wins and placings across the 15 races when assessing future handicaps and ratings. Racing Victoria’s chief executive Aaron Morrison said while competition laws meant it was impossible to return to previous pattern committees within Racing Australia (RA) determining black-type races, he suggested an advisory group could be set up. “I think without there being some kind of pattern committee quality control committee, it (the new Australian black-type guidelines framework) is ultimately going to be difficult to be supported by Asia or by other international bodies,” Morrison said. “We have unique challenges in Australia. We have a federated model where every state regulates racing. Under Australian competition laws, we could be deemed to be in competition with each other. “However, we are contemplating how there could be some sort of role for an advisory group outside of RA to play a role in the process. It can no longer sit within RA anymore because of the competition law issues, so it needs to have an independent element. “It would need to be advisory and influential only and we think there is an important place for it. “It is very challenging. On one hand, we’ve accepted the legal position around competition law issues with RA, so we can’t just go back to what it was. “We understand the reason why it had to be made more objective rather than subjective because of the perceived issues.” “But we still think there is an opportunity working with eminent industry figures that could have an advisory role to play in terms of overseeing the quality control of black type whilst RA and PRAs (Principal Racing Authorities) maintaining responsibilities in terms of decision-making of race day and the conditions of each race. “Those are decisions that can only be made by PRAs and RA.” Racing NSW has not commented on the ARF ruling, so has given no indication as to whether black-type status will be withdrawn from the final two of the 17 races in question. These races are the Neville Sellwood Stakes (2000m), which had been slated for upgrading from Group 3 to G2, at Rosehill on March 29, and Gosford’s The Coast (1600m) on May 10, which had been scheduled as a Listed race.

Just shows you how screwed the ratings are for age group horses. Leica Lucy rated 77 after winning 2 Group 3's and 1 Group 2.

Depends if it was in the contract. It isn't always.

I'm sure Wightman will flick her 10% of the sale price which is the norm - will he not?

Not him.

I don't disagree it isn't a sensible move. However in terms of stupidity slagging off all and sundry bordering on slander doesn't seem that bright to me. But in this game people flip flop when it suits.

I didn't think I took a "pot-shot" at Wightman but then some are more sensitive than others. I was just highlighting the irony with a tad sarcasm! Hell from what I've heard if you posted a quarter of what Wightman has been writing on FB on the other channel you'd be gone...or would you?

Probably and I'm sure Lindsay would facilitate that conversation better than the other owner!

No brainer really. If the horse is anywhere near as good as some are saying then it won't be racing in the South Island again so it makes sense to sell to someone that is going to facilitate the horse getting the best opportunities here and in OZ. If it isn't up to the top level then he still wins for obvious reasons. It appears the irony of the outcome passes some by - for most of the last 3 months Wightman has been on FB slaying the very people he has sold half to.

You didn't watch her first two races then?

Well she has been racing since September albeit one race a month with two in February. Contrary to some naysayers that Slot field has a fair bit of class in it and it is the type of race where there are no prisoners. Essentially there is no where to hide. Plus if she doesn't get to the front the track might trip her up.

Note the change of colours too.

I guess when money is involved you sell your soul to the devil...or as Wightman calls them the OBC!

Yes and the one in the race is a reasonable chance as well.

Feroce - Super Seth x Corinthia (O'Reilly) 1st. Savaglee - Savabeel x Glee (O'Reilly) 2nd.