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So? That doesn't negate my point about your statistics. The track may well have been unsafe on that day for a variety of reasons but you are inferring a trend from one meeting. Without presenting any measure of variance. Therefore any conclusions you have drawn are worthless. Do you have an official quote from McInerney why he scratched his dogs? Or are you embellishing fiction?

I'm not defending anyone. I'm just making the point that you are either deliberately manipulating statistics to prove your biased hypothesis. Now that manipulation may be incompetence and a lack of understanding of statistics. However I have given you the benefit of the doubt and suggest it is deliberate.

Actually we should all be rejoicing as you have said something positive about a horse trained in Matamata.

As I said I was paraphrasing your posts.

When I saw AI in the Topic I thought you were talking about introducing another breeding method to the Thoroughbred Studs.

Plus they are still waiting for the monopoly advantage to be strengthened by the proposed legislation.

FFS go to your local tertiary institution and borrow a book about statistical variation. You are comparing one sample that is 10 times the size of the other with no variance estimate. Subsequently your assertion is a nonsense!!

I see Prof. Jay Bhattacharya has been appointed by Trump to lead the National Institutes of Health in the USA. The Professor who promoted targeted interventions and lockdowns limited to those at high risk only.

That's not entirely correct and at best is speculation. However those recordings could have been used in a criminal court but the Judge ruled that the evidence wasn't sufficient to prove guilt. So the question is why should an Agency such as the RIU(RIB) have a lesser threshold? The RIB can't have it both ways where they remove someone's license because of a conviction in a higher court. "We didn't get you in the High Court but we'll get you in our lesser court using the evidence that won't get a conviction in the higher court!" Remember Teina Pora?

Well to paraphrase a post from @Huey it only won a maiden at Te Aroha against some very average horses trained by battlers.

Interesting he is not involved in it. Which begs the question was it Catheryne Bruggeman that was the good judge?

Well the question now is will those affected sue for compensation? Or even costs?

It cost many many defendants 100's of thousands of dollars. Let alone casting doubt on the integrity of the RIB and Harness Racing. Largely drive by one stipe who it didn't cost anything to pursue totally irrational charges. Not the first time. So don't diminish what harm INCA has caused.

Enough of that BS thanks.

@Thomass fantasises about who he talks to. So I doubt George gave him the time of day.

Quite frankly the TAB and now ENTAIN have far too many variations of the same product. I guess also ENTAIN have woken up to the fact they aren't making that much profit. As for the RIB offering advice and recommendations...shouldn't they stick to doing what they should do and do it better?

I assure you @Brodie knows a lot more about harness racing than you. Probably one of the few harness punters that NZ bookies are scared of. You aren't one of them. Now if you can't do anything other than troll, or copy posts from here, or post nothing constructive then don't bother.

Match fixing charges dropped after too many court delays www.thepost.co.nz The Crown has been denied a chance to prosecute two men accused of match fixing after a court found lengthy delays breached the defendants’ right to be tried without undue delay. Brent Wall and another man were among several people arrested in 2018 as part of Operation Inca, a 17-month police sting looking at corruption in the harness racing industry. Both men were each charged with obtaining or causing loss by deception after allegedly fixing a race at a Manawatū Harness Racing Club meet on May 22, 2018. The Crown said they ensured the horse Sportscaster, partly owned by Wall, won that race and each claimed $4560. The initial charges against those netted in the police operation included drug offences and match fixing, and additional betting charges were laid in 2020. Over time most of those charges were dismissed, apart from those laid against Wall, an unnamed man who had name suppression, and a third person. The betting charges were later withdrawn by the Crown who said it was no longer in the public interest to pursue them. That left just the match fixing charges against Wall and the second man, but these were eventually dropped in November 2023 by Judge Michael Crosbie citing the five-year delay. A Court of Appeal decision released in November said the Crown had argued against this ruling and felt, despite the delays, the men still had a chance at a fair trial. The prosecution had intercepted conversations between the pair and had testimony from a steward, footage of the race and expert evidence, but a previous judge ruled even with this evidence the likelihood of conviction was low. The decision said Crosbie carefully considered the case before making his ruling and found the delays had been unacceptable. They started with the additional charges being laid two years after the first, and included “a series of unfortunate institutional errors and resource failures, interspersed with systemic delay”, he said. The judge also found the Crown’s “delayed decisions” to file, continue, then withdraw the betting charges helped make the process “exceptionally long”. There were also ongoing challenges to warrants used by police for surveillance devices and the judge noted this would further delay any trial dates that were still to be determined. Both men had the right to be tried without undue delay under the Bill of Rights Act, and the judge ruled the time it had taken in court “caused undue interference” with this. The Crown, however, said the judge made an error and argued that continuing with the prosecution would not be an abuse of process. They submitted that the offending was serious, their case was strong and there would be no prejudice to the defendants. The Crown argued the judge failed to take into account that the men had colluded to determine the race’s outcome, and said “given the significance of corruption” in the industry, the modest amount they were accused of claiming did not reflect the seriousness of the offending. The prosecution asserted that match fixing was more serious than the betting charges because it was a deliberate act to change the race’s result. The Court of Appeal judges disagreed, however, and dismissed the Crown’s application. “The delay has been very long, is not of the respondents’ making and would be extended by an appeal, the prospects of success for which are limited. “To allow a prosecution to proceed after so long, on a single charge against each respondent for which the penalty is likely to be modest, is not, in our view, a reasonable response or adequate recognition of their right to be tried without undue delay.” The Crown has been denied a chance to prosecute two men accused of match fixing after a court found lengthy delays breached the defendants’ right to be tried without undue delay. Brent Wall and another man were among several people arrested in 2018 as part of Operation Inca, a 17-month police sting looking at corruption in the harness racing industry. Both men were each charged with obtaining or causing loss by deception after allegedly fixing a race at a Manawatū Harness Racing Club meet on May 22, 2018.

Then stop trolling. Your choice.

Prominent racehorse owner David Archer furious after photo-finish controversy Barry Lichter Nov 27, 2024 •05:00am Play Video0:32 Tight finish confounds commentator, judge in Pukekohe race Prominent racehorse owner David Archer is calling for a rule change after a photo-finish dispute at Pukekohe which put raceday judging under the microscope. Archer and leading trainer Stephen Marsh were ropeable after their horse Sinhaman, who was called home first in a desperately close four-way finish on Saturday, was placed a nose second by the judge. It took judge John Craig several minutes to post the result, one which photo-finish operator Sam Wells did not agree with. Wells was adamant he could not separate Sinhaman from declared winner Aladdin Sane. ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF In a very close four-way finish, the judge found a nose margin for Aladdin Sane over Sinhaman in the blue and white colours at top. SUPPLIED Commentator George Simon viewed the finish three times and also believed it was a dead-heat. Stipendiary stewards became involved after Marsh queried the result. Archer, who watched the race from Australia, said his trainer was incensed over the result and, while he himself had not laid an official complaint with New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing, he had sent a note to the judge to say he believed he’d got it wrong. Archer races Sinhaman with his partner Diane Wright and children Simon and Natalie, best known for their success with 10-time Group I winner Mufhasa. And, while the decision proved costly in a $75,000 race - Sinhaman’s runner-up stake was worth only $13,875, compared with the $28,500 he would have won through a dead-heat, or $43,125 for a win - Archer is more concerned about the immediate future for the horse. David Archer with his partner Diane Wright. Archer is calling for a rule change after a photo-finish dispute at Pukekohe SUPPLIED ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF “We’re going for the $1 million four-year-old race at Ellerslie in January and if he doesn’t get enough points, he won’t make the field.” Archer said it would be a very bad look for the industry if there was a repeat of the episode in one of the multi-million dollar races coming up over summer. “We should learn a lesson out of this and I believe there should be an absolute rule that the judge must call in one of the stewards for a second opinion when it’s that close. “This wasn’t a nose, it was a hair, and I’m told three stipes looked at it and two of them said we won and one said it was a dead-heat. “If it took the judge seven minutes to make a call, it should have been a dead-heat at worst.” Racing Industry Board steward Adrian Dooley said it was not until 17 minutes after the race - after Marsh questioned the result - that he rang the judge to say he wanted to see the photo-finish. ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF It was the final race, dividends were already being paid out, and Wells was halfway through packing up his gear when Dooley arrived. “I couldn’t see a margin, neither could George and when Adrian Dooley had a look he couldn’t see a margin either,” Wells said. Dooley would not confirm that on Tuesday, declining to comment because he believed it was under investigation. The stewards’ report noted only that under the Rules of Racing, “the decision of the judge was deemed final”. Dooley said, however, that had he seen the photo-finish before the declaration of dividends, the judge’s decision may well have been different: “It would have been a different ball game altogether.” The stewards often consulted with the judge over close photo-finishes, Dooley said, enabled by their close proximity at tracks like Te Rapa and Cambridge Raceway. But at Pukekohe it was a long trek up from ground level to the top of the grandstand roof, with no lifts. ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF Dooley said he did not see a blown-up photo-finish - “they’d shut down their machines” - but he viewed a smaller version. Asked if the contested decision might see a revisiting of the rule giving the judge the final say, Dooley said “that might well come out in any inquiry. “I haven’t come across one like this before.” Dooley confirmed the stewards were delivered a printout of the judge’s placings, with the horses’ placings and their times, as stipulated in the rules. But the times listed for the first two horses home on New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing’s website do not tally with photo finish operator Wells’ findings. How could Aladdin Sane be credited with a time of 1:39.12 and Sinhaman 1:39.13, a difference of one 100th of a second, when Wells said he could not find a margin of one 1000th of a second between the pair? ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF Wells said the gear he used could differentiate margins of up to one 10,000th of a second but in New Zealand the standard was to only go up to one 1000th of a second. Wells said he was told by the judge to rule two separate lines on the official photo-finish when he could find no margin - something he was unhappy about. Neither of the two horses’ noses were touching the line on the left, he said. “I had to find a margin when there was no margin but I have no legal say and can’t over-rule the judge, I just provide the photo finish.” Under the rules, the judge’s decision cannot be appealed but chief stipendiary steward John Oatham said he would be reviewing the film with Craig at Ellerslie on Saturday. “John is a very experienced judge and I assume he explained to the judicial chairman Brady Jones how he came to his decision.” Oatham said it was easy for people to question the judge’s decision but he had a number of tools at his disposal on the computer screen, including contrast, and a second, inside camera to help him. ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF But Archer said he understood the photo-finish camera had been playing up during the day, even more reason why the judge should have sought a second opinion. Wells confirmed the second camera on the inside of the track was playing up and wasn’t lined up for the day because one of its support legs was bent. The main camera, beside him in the grandstand, was accurate. “Some of the stewards’ viewing positions leave a lot to be desired but, depending on our location, we view the film where possible,” Oatham said. “But we don’t make decisions - that’s the judge’s job.” Craig said he didn’t want to get involved in debating the issue but, with about 40 years experience in judging, he was confident in his decision. “It’s harder to see it on the website photo but there was a nose margin.” ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISE WITH STUFF On Archer’s call for mandatory input from a steward in close finishes, Craig said that already happened on most northern tracks at which he officiated. “At Ellerslie we’re in the same box and at Te Rapa there’s only a wall between us and the stewards normally come and have a look before I make my call.” - Stuff

On his current form he wouldn't even win one of them.

He isn't worth $30m. Two Grp 3's and a Grp 2. Yeah na.

Doesn't matter if it was or wasn't new or constructive. The point is @JJ Flash only ever does drive-by troll posts.

I don't have to assist anyone. Just calling you out for the fact that you don't post anything new or constructive. At least @Brodie does that.