Chief Stipe

BS.

LOL!

Yes but that's because you were more often wrong than right! If I recall correctly your last spat occurred when you had a go at @Brodie ! Why does moderation worry you since you haven't posted anything in more than 7 months?!

Scooby and Flash.

I might add that @JJ Flash said he liked what @the galah posted. Interestingly @JJ Flash never posted on any of those Topics!

Hi All Well our old friend @JJ Flash has been doing some drive-by posting on BOAY. Basically shit stirring posts regarding @the galah and his absence. We all know that @the galah decided to stop posting and took exception to my very strong views on performance enhancing drug abuse in racing. Particularly the mess over INCA and the court cases in New York, the USA. Anyway it is @the galah 's right to bail out and I respect that hence my moderating of @JJ Flash posts on the subject. What I took exception to was @JJ Flash hasn't posted anything in 7 months on BOAY on any topic yet decides to post for obvious nefarious reasons. I've long suspected @JJ Flash and the Scooby Dog are as thick as thieves. So about a minute after explaining in an email to @JJ Flash why his new Topics were hidden the following gets posted on the other channel: I don't have a problem with anyone posting anywhere else but I do take exception to those who only have one objective when it comes to BOAY and that is to bring it down. Keep trying! As for Scooby - well one of these days I'll post a lot of stuff that will highlight his true character.

Another conclusion from some research done in 2020 on racehorses: In the second component of the study, we investigated the effect of a Co dose sufficient to maintain plasma levels over 300 μg/l on performance and found no effect on indices of either aerobic or anaerobic performance.

I'm extremely critical of the meme's you produce. As for Cobalt I wish someone would challenge the science on the issue when charged. It has cost millions of dollars to participants and the industry in Thoroughbred Racing both here and particularly in OZ. What if the Racing Stipes came out and said the truth - "Hey guys Cobalt does nothing to increase performance unless your dog or horse is anaemic. So you are wasting your time using it if you think you are getting an advantage. Also too much may have the opposite effect."

Yes Pringle was cheating to administer Ironvita within 48 hours of a race however if he believes that it made a difference then the science suggests he is wrong. The Cobalt scandals have been the biggest beatups in racing in modern times. About all the administration of Cobalt would possibly do is help reduce anaemia in racing animals under stress from high performance training and racing. If ANYONE can cite a scientific research paper that shows the administration of Cobalt has increased the performace of a racehorse or greyhound I'd be interested to see it.

This is an extract from a review (for @Yankiwi and @Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers education endogenous means naturally produced within the body of the animal): If cobalt could increase endogenous EPO production with achievable equine doses, then this would potentially confer a competitive advantage in equine sports. Typical equine doses of cobalt which might be clandestinely administered with the intent of performance enhancement cannot be accurately determined, since this information is not commonly made available. However, dose rates (based on interviews by author C.K. Fenger with trainers on the condition of anonymity) appear to range from occasional ‘low’ doses of 100 up to 400 mg cobalt chloride, typically diluted in 1000 ml of saline and administered by slow IV drip. According to regulators with the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, ‘intelligence’ has revealed that repeated ‘high’ doses of as much as 4 mg/kg (1,800 mg total dose for a typical 450 kg horse) of cobalt chloride have been administered by rapid IV bolus (Waldridge, 2015). However, neither a single modest IV dose of 100 mg cobalt chloride (49 mg cobalt ion, Knych et al., 2015), nor a repeated high dose of 1.8 mg/kg cobalt chloride (810 mg cobalt ion for a typical 450 kg horse) every 4 days for 7 treatments (Waldridge, 2015) resulted in any haematologic effects in horses.

@Yankiwi and @Seeyounexttuesdaytrainers STATEMENT ON COBALT TESTING IN GREYHOUNDS: Derek A Major BVSc MACVSc CMAVA I have been in Equine Veterinary Practice since 1989. In January, 2014 I was granted an Animal Care and Ethics Permit to perform cobalt excretion studies in horses, and I have been performing various trials on the urine and blood levels of cobalt in horses following routine administration of common vitamins and minerals. I have been involved in providing advice and evidence to horse trainers charged with breaching current cobalt regulations in Thoroughbred and Harness Racing. I have no interest, financial or otherwise, in the sport of Greyhound racing. I am however deeply disturbed that the industry has followed the lead from horse racing and imposed a urinary threshold on cobalt in dogs. I believe that the horse threshold was developed on inadequate and flawed science. I am a strong champion of animal welfare, and I fully appreciate regularity authorities’ concern to protect the welfare of dogs and horses. I would condemn any attempt to wilfully dose any animal with large doses of cobalt, for perceived performance advantage. Cobalt is an essential trace nutrient in mammals. Its sole role is as a structural component of the Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) molecule, which is essential to red blood cell function. I have 3 areas of concern: 1. Urine is the wrong test medium Cobalt is one of a group of elements classified as “heavy metals”. This group includes iron, copper, zinc, arsenic, selenium and lead, among others. Some of these are essential to life, in varying quantities – cobalt being one of them. Characteristic of heavy metals is the tendency to accumulate in a number of body tissues. High levels can lead to signs of toxicity. Cobalt intoxication has been reported in humans, and lead poisoning is recognised in many species. When a horse or dog is exposed to a continued low level of cobalt levels in the blood plasma and red cells rises. Most of the cobalt in blood is bound to plasma protein, and ultimately is incorporated into the red blood cells, where it remains for the life of the cell – around 120 days. This may account for 90% of the cobalt in blood, and is NOT measured in urine tests. Urine testing simply measures the free ionised cobalt “spilling over” into the urine. Urine testing measures what “was” in the animal” not what “is” in the animal. Indeed, such simple factors as water intake and concentration of the urine can have a profound effect on urine cobalt levels. As a starting point it is essential to correct measured levels against urine creatinine or specific gravity. The more appropriate test is that adopted. 2. Cobalt is not performance- enhancing Interest in illicit cobalt use as a performance-enhancer in racing horses and dogs can be traced back to some speculative articles in the lay press from the sport of Cycling. It was proposed that cobalt in humans might stimulate erythropoietin (EPO), and lead to increased red cell production. This speculation comes from discussions in the scientific literature dating back to the 1940’s and even 1930’s, which referred to laboratory studies on rabbit and rat red blood cells. Such studies as have been done in horses have failed to support this proposal, showing No increase in red cells and NO increase in haemopoietin, even after very large doses of cobalt. Given the120 day life span of red blood cells any such effect would require dosing months before racing, and raceday urine testing would be irrelevant. Furthermore, given the massive reserves of red blood cells stored in the spleen it is highly questionable whether increasing the count would make the horse run faster or slower. 3. Uncontrolled Population Studies are Flawed The horse urine level was set on the basis of statistical analysis of an uncontrolled population study. Without reliable knowledge of the total cobalt exposure of each individual in the study, the “normal” range cannot be defined. I understand a parallel approach has been adopted for Greyhound Racing. Total exposure includes “native” cobalt in the feed, water and environment, as well as legitimate vitamin and mineral supplements, in addition to any illicit administration. 4. Greyhound Racing does not need to invent a new “scandal”. Having previously stated my disinterest I can only observe that Greyhound Racing in New South Wales is struggling to improve its reputation in the public eye. In my opinion Horse Racing has suffered a severe loss of reputation in recent years, and many trainers have been unfairly disadvantaged, on the basis of flawed and inadequate science. I would urge the Grey hound industry NOT to follow that path. Association of Racing Commissioners International. Cobalt in blood plasma is measured, and sanctions applied when the level exceeds 25ppm. 2. Cobalt is not performance- enhancing Interest in illicit cobalt use as a performance-enhancer in racing horses and dogs can be traced back to some speculative articles in the lay press from the sport of Cycling. It was proposed that cobalt in humans might stimulate erythropoietin (EPO), and lead to increased red cell production. This speculation comes from discussions in the scientific literature dating back to the 1940’s and even 1930’s, which referred to laboratory studies on rabbit and rat red blood cells. Such studies as have been done in horses have failed to support this proposal, showing No increase in red cells and NO increase in haemopoietin, even after very large doses of cobalt. Given the120 day life span of red blood cells any such effect would require dosing months before racing, and raceday urine testing would be irrelevant. Furthermore, given the massive reserves of red blood cells stored in the spleen it is highly questionable whether increasing the count would make the horse run faster or slower. 3. Uncontrolled Population Studies are Flawed The horse urine level was set on the basis of statistical analysis of an uncontrolled population study. Without reliable knowledge of the total cobalt exposure of each individual in the study, the “normal” range cannot be defined. I understand a parallel approach has been adopted for Greyhound Racing. Total exposure includes “native” cobalt in the feed, water and environment, as well as legitimate vitamin and mineral supplements, in addition to any illicit administration. 4. Greyhound Racing does not need to invent a new “scandal”. Having previously stated my disinterest I can only observe that Greyhound Racing in New South Wales is struggling to improve its reputation in the public eye. In my opinion Horse Racing has suffered a severe loss of reputation in recent years, and many trainers have been unfairly disadvantaged, on the basis of flawed and inadequate science. I would urge the Greyhound industry NOT to follow that path.

That's bollocks. Cite some research that Cobalt has any effect on a Greyhound's performance. It MAY stimulate natural EPO production but it ISN'T artificial EPO.

Actually you are not "simply talking about it"! You have an obsessive campaign to find ANYTHING to criticise GRNZ and its participants about. That says a lot about you.

But you're making sure the world knows. Why?

Which track hasn't? Pouring through old Racing Board/NZTR annual reports (perhaps Messara and @TAB For Ever should do that) you can see numerous loans or free grants to fix drainage on the courses we are now betting our future on. Messara's report is looking more like a bag of hunches.

But you miss the point completely as did Messara. If you can't race at Foxton on any day you might still be able to race at Hawera, Waipukurau, Woodville, Awapuni or Otaki etc. That is there are options. If Omoto was under water you could race at Westland. I think one year they even did that. The strategy seems to be to put all our eggs into one basket e.g. Ellerslie. At the moment Ellerslie is looking more like an Eagle Farm without a Doomben. NZ has always had localised weather events. It's the nature of our location and maritime climate.

Ruakaka raced while the Brynderwins were closed. There was and still is a very good alternative route through Mangapai that only adds 30 mins to the trip. Assuming of course they get through the Auckland Motorway system which they couldn't do for Sistema Stakes Day 2024. Couldn't get past Pukekohe!! You are a bit like Messara you should get out and have a look at the places you bag and intend to close.

What's that got to do with Rotorua, Auckland or Hawkes Bay? Which areas? Certainly not Rotorua or Auckland. Neither have had 1200mm of rain in a week. More injuries as well but since when has "because everyone else does it" been a good a good reason for doing anything? You also lump dirt tracks in with yhe category AWT. Actually you switch AWT and Synthetic when it suits your argument. As the article that was posted stated Austalia doesn't want anymore Synthetic Tracks. If you haven't noticed that is the market more similar to ours than any that you have mentioned. The market where our punters punt. You are trying to defend the indefensible and are digging a bigger hole.

2015 RACE Inc holds an investment in Central District Starting Gates of $20,955 (2014 - $20,955)

In the 2010 report there is another (or the same) non-current loan of $30k for 2009. 2008 Loan of $64k - commercial interest rates. 2013 and 2014 $0 2015 Loan $83k 2016 Loan $162k 2017 Loan $136k 2018 Loan $97k 2019 $0 2020 $33K - name change to Northern Race Day Services Incorporated. Same year loan to Central Districts Starting Gates Incorporated of $37k.

I thought at one stage any "worthy cause" could apply! All seems a bit odd. Even the name Society Ltd. Normally it is one or the other isn't it?

NO that it was apparently a company setup in 1977 using volunteers with funding lent to them by NZTR. Also that there is no record of the company now on the registry nor on the Incorporated Societies Registry. I imagine at some time over the years they would have got funding via the pokie license.

That's what I posted above.

I believe they have tried and the reaction hasn't been pleasant. There are probably only 2 or 3 trainers at Riccarton that could make a difference. One believes everything is going swimmingly! Pun intended. You'll need deep pockets. There will be some easy pickings in NZ over the next couple of seasons. Depending on the key tracks being OK of course.

According to the Pukekohe commentator Northern Raceday Services Society Ltd and NZTR are working on contingencies to makes sure the broken truck scenario doesn't happen again. Note: NZTR lent NRSS Ltd money in 1977 to be created. 47 years ago.