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But you're not right and you've admitted that. Remember your one turn vs two turn stats? You're blinded by bias and a vendetta.

A response which clearly indicates you haven't a clue. You obviously spend most of your day churning out meaningless stats to support your biased hypothesis yet can't be bothered, or don't know how, to provide validity to them.

Didn't you bring it up? What about them? You are not comparing apples with apples. Neither of those sports rely on wagering for their income. There are ample opportunities for the best horses to prove they are the best. Why not continue to have time honoured Handicap races that provide an attractive wagering event? Seems to work for the Melbourne Cup!!

What is the expected injury rate for Racing Greyhounds? Globally. What is the standard deviation? What is the rate for each NZ track and its SD? Now rinse and repeat the above by normalising the data relative to multiple variables such as trainer, track conditions, distance, etc. We all await your erudite analysis.

Still flawed. The sad part is you don't know why.

Nup - Hesi is long gone because he was a hypocrite when it came to allowing anyone to post what they wished. You would have been long gone under his type of regime.

Which part? Hesi was never a spokesperson for BOAY even though he thought he was.

@Yankiwi you got an invitation which you've requested on a number of occasions but now are ducking for cover. As for your last post it is incoherent. By the way Hesi has long gone and is pontificating elsewhere not that he had any management say on BOAY.

NO it is in your court. But you don't have the Kahunas to contact him. You're the one making it difficult.

Gai's strong Sandown stance | RACING.COM www.racing.com Legendary trainer Gai Waterhouse believes any sale of Sandown is a “disgrace”, arguing racing bodies should not be selling their “core assets”. Waterhouse says the sale of racetracks will lead to the loss of punters and key industry revenue. She gave the Australian Turf Club similar feedback last week regarding its plans to sell Rosehill, telling the board it should be “ashamed”. Asked for her view on Sandown, Waterhouse warned that racing risks its future by selling its race tracks. “You shouldn't be selling your core assets. I think it's a disgrace. You cannot get those racetracks back,” Waterhouse said. “And they're green areas where people can go and enjoy themselves. People say, ‘Well, move it to such and such, or so-and-so’. You lose your punters. What funds racing here? What funds it in all the states? The punting dollar. “Leave it where it is because people like to go back to where they know. You'll lose that whole punting group totally. Without that money, we can't keep the prize money and all the benefits that go with it.” Fellow champion trainer Peter Moody echoed his support for Sandown on social media on Saturday. “20 stubbies in midnight sat night after a day on the chainsaw. Just saw replay of the great Vo Rogue at Sandown. MRC committee and members please don’t loose (sic) these memories. Save and return to the great days. Best track in the land. Make it work.” When contacted by Racing.com, an MRC spokesperson said: “The MRC has entered into a MOU with Racing Victoria that any closure of Sandown as a racecourse will only occur if it is in the best interests of Victorian racing.” WATCH: Gai Waterhouse has her say on Sandown

FFS in more than one of your posts that's what YOU wanted to do. Gone all soft cock?

Then you are all hat and no cattle. You got the opportunity you wanted and have turned it down. Obviously you have an agenda that isn't what you proclaim it to be.

@Yankiwi how did the "grown up" conversation go? Or did you chicken out?

Your predictions are flawed because they are based on flawed assumptions and data.

Great that you picked up on my suggestion are looking at other variables rather than just track conditions. Now you just need to normalise the data and add a variance estimate.

The Olympics don't rely on wagering as their sole source of income. Usain Bolt at a $1.01 isn't going to attract a lot of punting is it?

Then you like contradicting yourself.

I'm not surprised it broke down. When did it ever have a spell? Often raced twice in 3 days. 3 times in a week!

Don't forget this one of course!

Verry Elleegant's top 5 wins www.racing.com 2021 GEORGE MAIN STAKES The 2021 George Main Stakes was Verry Elleegant's third attempt to win the mile Group 1 and she came in second-up after a narrow defeat in the Winx Stakes a month earlier. Having finished fourth in the race in two previous attempts, she was sent out an odds-on favourite and only went around one horse, the tiring Kolding, thanks to a James McDonald masterclass, to run down Riodini, who gave a big sight. The victory would also form part of her Melbourne Cup preparation. 2020 TURNBULL STAKES After a defeat to European and old sparring partner Addeybb in the Queen Elizabeth in 2020, Verry Elleegant returned with a point to prove in the spring that year. Having returned in the George Main Stakes with an encouraging fourth placing, she went to the Turnbull Stakes second-up, with Mark Zahra getting his first sit aboard the mare. Keen throughout the run, Zahra presented her early and was three wide for the second half of the race but despite covering ground, fought it out for a gutsy victory, as Chris Waller stablemates Toffee Tongue and Finch completed the trifecta. 2020 TANCRED STAKES A dual G1 winner already as a three-year-old in the Vinery Stud Stakes and ATC Oaks, Verry Elleegant made a statement at the elite level for the first time as a mare, winning the 2020 Tancred Stakes by 4.3 lengths. The victory was her biggest-ever winning margin among 16 victories, as McDonald ran clear of Mustajeer and Avilius following runner-up performances in the Chipping Norton and Ranvet Stakes. 2020 CAULFIELD CUP Verry Elleegant went into the 2020 Caulfield Cup as the $5 favourite in a race which included the likes of Anthony Van Dyck, Prince Of Arran and Avilius. It was only the mare's second visit to Caulfield, the other time having been when she won the Ethereal Stakes as a three-year-old. Zahra settled her midfield and they made their run together with the Aidan O'Brien-trained Anthony Van Dyck before winning her sixth G1, becoming the 11th mare in the past 50 years to win the race. Waller had previously had 20 runners in the race without a placing. 2021 MELBOURNE CUP Much had been made of Verry Elleegant's spring campaign after a win in the George Main Stakes over a mile had seemingly seen her return in the spring of 2021 in rare form. As a result, she was sent out a $2.10 favourite in the Turnbull Stakes but failed to fire under Damian Lane, finishing third, ahead of her initial target of the Cox Plate a fortnight later, where she shared favouritism with Anamoe and closed strongly to finish third. While much was spoken of Verry Elleegant's preparation, it was also playing second fiddle to Incentivise, whose Turnbull Stakes win and Caulfield Cup annihilation had everyone talking and installed him one of the shortest Cup favourites in recent history. A decision to push on and run Verry Elleegant in the Melbourne Cup proved a Waller masterstroke as she stunned her rivals by four lengths, with Incentivise left in her dust in second place. In doing so she ran the fifth-quickest time in the race's history, carrying 57 kilograms.

Owners mourn Verry Elleegant | RACING.COM www.racing.com Brae Sokolski said the shock loss of champion mare Verry Elleegant had provided him and his fellow part-owners their toughest moment in racing. The 2021 Melbourne Cup winner and 2020/21 Horse of the Year could not be saved after a breeched birth in Ireland overnight, with a shocked and saddened Sokolski charged with having to inform the rest of the ownership group, as well as her former trainer and jockey, what had occurred. "Obviously, I've had a hell of a lot of highs in the game, but this is the worst thing I've had to endure," Sokolski said. "I had to call Chris Waller and James McDonald and you could hear in their voice that they were close to tears as she meant so much. "We will all miss her. Chris' staff were so close to her." Sokolski explained Verry Elleegant had been three weeks overdue and was unable to give birth because of the position of the Sea The Stars foal. "The foal was in the worst position it could be, which is called a dogsitter position, where the back and front legs are tucked under its stomach and in that situation, it can be incredibly hard to get the foal out and they couldn't," Sokolski said. "It had thrashed around and caused all sorts of internal damage and she went to the operating theatre but they couldn't save her. "It was nearly exactly the same as what happened to Winx, but Winx has just survived and she didn't. "We mourn her and we also mourn the generations and generations that were to follow. The family basically stops, so that makes it even more tragic." Sokolski said the reaction to the news had been touching. "I've been absolutely flooded with messages from people within the industry and outside with the condolences and expressions of what she meant," he said. "It warms my heart." Sokolski said he was pleased that connections and fans of the mare will get to remember her each year after the Australian Turf Club decided to rename Saturday week's Group 1 Chipping Norton Stakes (1600m) at Randwick the Verry Elleegant Stakes. "I am so grateful to the ATC that they have named the race after her as that will immortalise her," he said.

Well I hope these "grown ups" don't rely on your statistics to make any decisions. That would be the final nail.

Better than relying on your selective memory.

Perhaps but where it all gets intriguing is Ladbrokes (an ENTAIN brand) also uses OpenBet. Then of course there is the big parent of OpenBet - Flutter Entertainment. Under Flutter Entertainment is Paddy Power, Sportsbet, Betfair and a number of other brands. Does Ladbrokes have major outages? Or Paddy Power? If they don't then it would suggest it isn't the software but the management of it that is a problem in NZ. The inference being an Outsource problem.

Glenn Saville.