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The way you write them they are slogans. Where is the policy in that statement?

Don't open that can of worms again. There was always a suspicion that someone nobbled those horses. Would only have taken a double espresso poured into the feed bin.

It wasn't me doing the comparison between race x and z. The point I was making was against your point regarding a class of horse being subsidised versus mine about a race being subsidised regardless of class. The Invercargill field was better than a 5 horse field with a standout favourite from a revenue and subsidisation perspective. Could the race have attracted the same field for $80k? Probably.

Slogans and no substance. One things for sure the country couldn't have continued doing what the last mob were doing.

Yep increase the Unions levies. That said isn't the question not how much was raised but how much was spent? When you do that calculation don't forget to include Union spend on Labour Party promotion.

Which is, dare I say it, the approach of most successful punters. That said if you back yourself then a fun bonus strategy would be to throw a very small amount on a multi of your selections. A lottery ticket but one day..... The trap of course nowadays that must sucker a few in is you can take combinations within a multi e.g. any 2, any 3 etc and then each ways. Before you know it your $1 multi turns into a $30 combo! In terms of an All Up on the tote that's a mugs game.

The facts are both Stewart and the Walker case are the same. The one clear day rule was breached. No positives were returned. Walker got a fine and his horse was disqualified and the stakes returned. Stewart's horse didn't even get to the races. Walkers excuse based on his Singapore experience was completely ignored in sentencing as was the plea bargaining regarding the size of the stable. Ignorance is no defence in these cases. In the absence of any illegal PED having been found Stewart should also get a fine.

They DIDNT admit that. Why do you keep twisting the facts on those cases? I'm not ignoring any of it. I'm just not reading the facts through blinkers wearing Murphy Blinds! WHERE ARE THE POSITIVES? WHAT WAS THE SUPER PED THAT THEY WERE ALL USING? The Feds had samples of the products for a long time before charges were laid. It turns out the drugs were common everyday manufactured drugs that were fraudently mislabelled.

No it doesn't. Judges make decisions all the time on the relative impact of a penalty versus the severity of the crime. For example a small trainer might have two horses and can't afford to pay a large fine. There could possibly be lifelong ramifications. Six months on the sideline would be a deterrent but wouldn't have severe unintended consequences. Whereas a large fine vs shifting 150 horses may have a similar impact as the small trainer penalty but again without unintended consequences. The penalty should match the severity of the fine. No performance enhancing substances were found nor was anything that was used outside of the one clear day illegal. As I said earlier there have been similar cases in NZ that have resulted in fines rather than disqualifications. You could compare it to the difference in sentencing for someone caught with Cannabis vs someone caught with Methamphetamine.

It's a good thing that overall the BGP aren't that successful otherwise they would surely be restricted in the amounts they can win like @Brodie I note that the $5 Melbourne Cup bet is not mentioned. I thought it returned $300k+?

TAB New Zealand reveals most daring bets of 2023 from Karaka Million to Melbourne Cup www.nzherald.co.nz 22 Dec, 2023 03:30 PM5 mins to read It seems the thrill of the game is alive and well in the heart of New Zealand. Photo / Richard Robinson It seems the thrill of the game is alive and well in the heart of New Zealand. Photo / Richard Robinson TAB New Zealand has spilled the beans on this year’s boldest bets, and it’s safe to say some punters have nerves of steel. Multi-bets took centre stage for the daring souls out there. One punter threw down a cool $50 on a 22-leg multi, covering cricket, baseball, tennis, rugby union, rugby league, volleyball, AFL, golf, basketball, and e-sports. The result? A jaw-dropping $53,326 windfall. But that’s not the only success story. In September, another punter transformed a $50 racing multi, spanning eight legs across four meetings, into a whopping $76,478. Meanwhile, a savvy bettor snagged $21,739 from a mere $10 bet on a seven-leg winning team and margin combo across four Rugby World Cup games, two NPC matches and an international rugby league showdown. For those on a budget, a single sports bet under $1000 hit the jackpot when one punter walked away with $37,750. How? A $250 correct score bet on a football match between Lyon Women and Slavia Prague Women (9-0) at odds of $151 did the trick. AdvertisementAdvertise with NZME. In the world of thoroughbreds and harness racing, New Zealand showcased its equestrian prowess with three standout meetings. The New Zealand Cup at Riccarton took the lead with a whopping $7.4 million, closely followed by the NZ Trotting Cup at Addington flaunting a substantial $6.9m. Not to be outdone, Pukekohe’s Karaka Million pranced in with a stylish $5.7m. The crown for the top race by turnover went to the Melbourne Cup at Flemington, boasting a colossal $12.6m. Speaking of big wins, Boys Get Paid lived up to their name by snaring the two biggest racing victories in 2023 through their Punters Club on the Karaka Million in January. A hefty $200,000 bet on Maven Belle and a $156,000 wager on Fashion Shoot left punters toasting to success with returns of $500,000 and $273,000 respectively. Beyond the thundering hooves and flashy finishes, Kiwis displayed their love for a diverse range of sports. The top five sports by turnover were basketball, football, rugby league, tennis and rugby union. AdvertisementAdvertise with NZME. TAB year in review Top three New Zealand meetings: New Zealand Cup, Riccarton (thoroughbreds) $7.4m NZ Trotting Cup, Addington (harness) $6.9m Karaka Million, Pukekohe (thoroughbreds) $5.7m Top 10 races by turnover: Melbourne Cup, Flemington (thoroughbreds) $12.6m NZ Trotting Cup, Addington (harness) $2.0m The Everest, Randwick (thoroughbreds) $1.9m Flemington R10, Melb Cup Day (thoroughbreds) $1.4m Karaka Million 3YO, Pukekohe (thoroughbreds) $1.3m New Zealand Cup, Riccarton (thoroughbreds) $1.2m Caulfield Cup, Caulfield (thoroughbreds) $1.2m Karaka Million 2YO (thoroughbreds) $1.2m Railway Stakes, Te Rapa (thoroughbreds) $1.1m NZ 1000 Guineas, Riccarton (thoroughbreds) $1.0m Top five sports by turnover: Basketball Football Rugby league Tennis Rugby union Top 10 sporting events by turnover: Related articles 'I cried, to be honest': Homeless man reveals plans after $106k Melbourne Cup win Boys Get Paid 'goes nuts' - betting syndicate makes $400k in five days, more profits to come Road to the Cup: An inside look into training a champion Why this Melbourne Cup win was New Zealand's greatest ever NZ v South Africa, Rugby (RWC) World Cup final $3.3m Broncos v Warriors, NRL preliminary final $2.1m Ireland v NZ, RWC quarter-final $2m Chiefs v Crusaders, Super Rugby final $1.7m Panthers v Broncos, NRL Grand Final $1.5m NZ v South Africa, The Rugby Championship $1.4m Argentina v NZ, RWC semifinal $1.4m Warriors v Knights, NRL semifinal $1.3m Queensland v NSW, State Of Origin game 2 $1.1m NZ v Australia, Bledisloe Cup, game 2 $1.1m Top returns for single racing bets under $1000: $112,979 - $40 First4 on Melbourne Cup $106,333 - $5 First4 on Melbourne Cup $79,750 - $25 First4 on Melbourne Cup $63,135 - $10 First4 on Melbourne Cup $56,489 - $4 First4 on Melbourne Cup $39,875 - $2 First4 on Melbourne Cup $26,712 - $5 First4 on BRC Sprint, Doomben, May 20 $26,583 - $100 First4 on Melbourne Cup $26,361 - $400 First4 on Bendigo R3, June 3 $24,997 - $12 Quaddie at Randwick, April 1 $22,191 - $36 Quaddie at Caulfield, November 18 $21,335 - $100 First3 on Inglis Sires, Randwick, April 1 Top returns for single sports bets under $1000: $37,750 - $250 Correct Score - Lyon Women’s 9-0 Slavia Prague Women’s (odds of $151) - football $20,100 - $100 Correct Score - Georgia 8-0 Thailand (odds of $201) - football $16,200 - $200 Power Play - Lewis Hamilton & Fernando Alonso Top 6 & Pierre Gasly points finish, Saudi Arabia Grand Prix (odds of $81) - motorsport $11,400 - $150 Croatia v Wales - Croatia 4+ Shots On Target in Each Half & Croatia 3+ Corners in Each Half (odds of $76) - football $10,100 - $100 Head to Head/Total Points Double - San Antonio/under 245.5 points - San Antonio Spurs v Atlanta Hawks, March 20 (odds of $101) - basketball $10,100 - $100 Correct Score - 3-1 Deportivo Carapegua v 3 de Febrero, July 18 (odds of $101) - Paraguayan football $10,100 - $100 Head To Head (live) - Kawasaki to beat Kashima, February 25 (odds of $101) - Japanese J1 League Football $10,100 - $100 Outright Winner - Daniel Hillier - British Masters (odds of $101) - golf $10,050 - $50 Correct Score - England 6-1 China (odds of $201) - Women’s Football World Cup

Exactly they are the same value as taking the individual bets except you are at risk of losing the winnings from the first, second and so on bets the moment one in the chain loses. So for example instead of having a good day getting 3 out of 4 bets home at value you have won nothing because one of the 4 didn't win. You are also effectively increasing your stake with each subsequent bet which I wouldn't have thought was a good strategy.

I didn't admit anything. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Long term successful punters steer clear of All Ups.

So what? Are you suggesting top successful punters make money by betting on All Ups? I think you're dreaming. Your punting knowledge is about as good as your economy and political knowledge.

All I said was an even field of a decent size will return more yield than a small field with a standout favourite regardless of the class of the field.

We've gone over and over this. Your interpretation of the USA cases is completely and utterly wrong. FFS they had samples to test against and found NOTHING! Why? Because there WAS nothing other than everyday treatments that were mislabelled and fraudulently sold as something else. The Trainers that got done were done on the basis that they were breaking the rules of recording what was being given to their horses NOT because they were using some mysterious hereto unknown PED!!!!

Why wouldn't it be found in testing? @Gammalite probably agrees.

Under NZ rules you could apply to the Stipes and get veterinary approval to administer the solution that Stewart did. In the best interests of the the horse. All the top trainers are doing the same thing. Stewart's timing was out just as Mark Walkers was in a recent case. In the latter it was only found out some time after the horse had run. Walker got a fine. So should Stewart.

That's the point. She has accepted she did wrong by pleading guilty. She is appealing the sentence. The decision from the Tribunal infers that a fine would be appropriate rather than a 6 month suspension.

She was rehydrating the horse.

But that isn't an All Up is it. You're describing a $10 multi on two horses paying $1.50. Muppet.

Light years ahead of you. Now that is self-evident.

I haven't made it up. But clearly you have no idea. Logic and simple math tell you that an All Up bet statically has a poor chance of return. Ironic that you discounted someone winning the Everest sweepstake yet promote All Up betting! Bizarre. Meanwhile Entain’s share price has made a recovery and made up half of the share price loss of the last year.

Looks likely in the absence of any performance enhancing drugs that the penalty will be reduced to a fine. The Horses won't need to be moved. I imagine they would have grounds to have appealed stopping of the transfer from Stewart to Tomkin as well.

21 December 2023 DECISION HARNESS RACING VICTORIA and EMMA STEWART Date of hearing: 8 December 2023 Panel: Judge John Bowman (Chairperson). Appearances: Mr Adrian Anderson instructed by Mr Andrew Cusumano appeared on behalf of the Stewards. Mr Damien Sheales instructed by Mr Peter Morris represented Ms Emma Stewart. Charge: Australian Harness Racing Rule (“AHRR”) 196B(1) states: (1) A person shall not without the permission of the Stewards within one (1) clear day of the commencement of a race administer, attempt to administer or cause to be administered an injection to a horse nominated for that race. Particulars: Charge 1 AHRR 196B (1) That as the licensed trainer of SHOW ME HEAVEN engaged in Race 3 at the Maryborough Harness Racing meeting on Sunday 17 September 2023, that on Saturday 16 September 2023, within one (1) clear day of the commencement of that race, you attempted to administer an injection to that horse, by way of an intravenous drip. Charge 2 AHRR 196 (B)(1) That as the licensed trainer of ACT NOW engaged in Race 7 at the Maryborough Harness Racing meeting on Sunday 17 September 2023, that on Saturday 16 September 2023, within one (1) clear day of the commencement of that race, you administered an injection to that horse, by way of an intravenous drip. Charge 3 AHRR 190 (B)(1) That as a licensed trainer between the calendar year of 2022 and 21 September 2023, you failed to thoroughly maintain a logbook, listing and recording all details of treatments administered to horses in your care. Plea: Guilty DECISION – STAY APPLICATION In this matter, which came on at very short notice, Ms Emma Stewart is seeking a stay in relation to the operation of two concurrent periods of disqualification, each being of six months. They relate to the alleged breaches of AHRR 190B(1), which could be summarised as being administration offences. The Charges arise from a Stewards’ inspection of Ms Stewart’s stables on 16 September 2023. When the Stewards arrived, two horses, Show Me Heaven and Act Now, were in the process of being administered a drip. Each was engaged to run at Maryborough the following day. For the purposes of the present application, there is no dispute concerning the administration being within 24 hours of the horses competing. The Stewards charged Ms Stewart with the offences pursuant to AHRR 190B(1). She has pleaded guilty to the offences. As stated, concurrent periods of six month disqualifications were imposed. These would become operative virtually immediately. At least at this stage, she is still pleading guilty, but is contesting the severity of the penalty. One result of the penalty is that some 150 horses would need to be moved from her stables, apart from other consequences. Thus, she is seeking a stay of the operation of the penalties. Mr Adrian Anderson of counsel appeared on behalf of the Stewards. Mr Damien Sheales of counsel appeared on behalf of Ms Stewart. I say now that I prefer the submission advanced by Mr Sheales. This is a matter which, even at this crowded time of the year, could hopefully have been dealt with promptly. However, the Stewards are today asserting that the drips or drench contained a substance, which, whilst not enhancing or detracting from performance, in this case is nevertheless something that should be taken into account. In my view, the introduction of this factor, over and above the other relevant considerations, leads to my conclusion. This factor obviously requires consideration and attention from counsel. Further, the possible gravity of the Charges as such appears to be of a magnitude that could result in a penalty varying all the way from a fine to a disqualification. The matter can be listed at comparatively short notice. However, apart from anything else, the assertion that the existence of an allegedly illegal and performance affecting substance is to be considered raises various considerations which may well require further investigation. Further, the impact of the immediate operation of the finding of disqualification seems to me to be of a magnitude that far outweighs the argument advanced on behalf of the Stewards. This matter, now not simple but urgent, has its complications. Further reasons may or may not be added to this Ruling after I have had the opportunity of further consideration, but I can assure all concerned that the conclusion will remain the same. A stay is granted. I shall hear counsel as to the wording to be adopted. ORDERS 1. The Stay Application is granted. 2. The appeal is adjourned to a date to be fixed. 3. Liberty to apply is reserved. 4. A directions hearing has been set down as follows: DIRECTIONS HEARING DATE: Monday, 29 January 2024 START TIME: 9.30 AM VENUE: Audio link (Microsoft Teams) VRT PANEL: Judge John Bowman (Chairperson) Mark Howard Registrar, Victorian Racing Tribunal