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Tui Ad of the year.

I was being facetious. What you say kind of makes sense but surely they would open the list now.....there would be an upside as they'd get a fair idea in advance who was targeting the meeting!!!!

That's why you should do the bloods of a stable transfer.

@Gammalite there are heaps of reasons why mistakes happen especially in a large stable - staff not washing their hands after applying medication either to a horse or themselves, feeds being mixed, the wrong horse receiving treatment, misunderstanding between the vet and trainer on when the horse would be racing again. Heaps of opportunities for mistakes. That's why the large professional stables have implemented rigid systems and protocols to avoid mistakes but it still happens.

It appears Riccarton have got organised and next week's meeting will be open to Owners. If you are a keen owner it might pay to book your space quickly.

Who is driving the stories of Peter Profit and Black Horse? Why is their motivation? Is there any foundation to the allegations of doping in NZ Harness Racing? The conspiracy that has no foundation is about to unravel. Coming soon.....

Why hide behind private forums if you are so sure that what you post is correct? Freedom of Speech as we know comes with some degree of accountability.

24 horses in training according to NZTR.

In that regard I don't think the 0800 Snitch line is a good thing. If people are confident in the veracity of their allegations why not be open about it? Why do they feel they can't talk directly to NZTR? Have they talked directly to NZTR and if so what action did NZTR take? I realise they are really busy at the moment managing their out of control IT project - the Single System of Truth costing $2.4m and growing.

I should clarify that - it was in relation to what happened when he went broke around 2012. Will correct what I wrote. However the same rumours running the rounds now were prevalent then. I'll make it clear they are just rumours with no substantive evidence as yet. The point I was trying to make was what have NZTR been doing? Surely in light of the previous episode: They would have had doubts about granting a license; If they had granted a license then wouldn't they be keeping a close eye on the stable. They have the powers don't they?

Which raises the question - Given NZTR proposed new licensing rules, which have been signalled for some time, why was Harris allowed to re-license? Was there a probationary period? T's & C's and monitoring put in place as a condition of the license? The existing rules are broad enough to allow that. Which leads to another question - why hasn't NZTR dealt with the alleged issue under its licensing power? Are they toothless? Doesn't NZTR have a National Vet and access to experienced horsemen directly or indirectly in their employ? Or is it easier to pass it off to the industry Police - the RIB? Why the RIB? If it is as bad as the rumours say then why wasn't MPI engaged? NZTR have been quick to use the Animal Welfare Act and bow to MPI but when a problem arises they don't engage them? Now the rumours may or may not be true - I guess we will find out in due course after RIB have completed their investigation. Which will take an age and will be under a cloak in the first instance. Fair enough everyone is entitled to a fair investigation. But putting the chance that there has been embellishment and exaggeration of the problem why is it that it has taken this long for action to be taken? I understand that other license holders were "too scared" to say anything. What is the cause of that reticence?

LOL I'll certainly be watching the race with a bit more interest!

Yeah everyone wants a Group 1.

On stats she is quicker than the other mare. Will be an interesting first quarter. I'm Off N Gone will need to step out the best it ever has and probably will get parked. Likewise if the other mare misses it a smidge then it'll need luck.

Good luck. She is on fire as well although not as race hard. Will she hand up to I'm Off N Gone?

I might move some of these posts to a separate thread. It was hijacked when the intent was to wish the NZ team(s) all the best in the big Group 1's at Melton this Friday and Saturday night. I thought I'm Off N Gone's last start performance was good one.

I think he has fallen down a conspiracy rabbit hole.

Hang on a minute @the galah you may not have had a direct stab at the Dunn's but you did have a go at Woodham choosing Braun. @Gammalite and I were facetiously commenting on the fact that two horses left Woodend and improved lengths in OZ.

But you can determine who cheats and who makes a mistake?

Bute is one of the most used anti-inflammatories in any stable. It isn't a prohibited substance except for raceday and has a withholding period. There are many many cases of mistakes with withholding times and or cross contamination. So Braun has had one mistake with bute in nearly 20 years? He had one Cobalt threshold case. I'm not going to relitigate the Cobalt saga. It's been a stuff up all round.

O'Sullivan and the trough. Te Akau was contaminated hay with poppies.

So @the galah what dope is Tony Herlihy currently using? Afterall he has a UDR better than the Dunn's at the moment.

Sorry according to some exclusive moral compass you can determine who made a mistake and who cheated?

He had a positive in 2007 - not sure what to. A positive to Bute in 2014. Name a major trainer that hasn't had one of those. 2017 - Cobalt one horse went over the threshold - quite frankly that isn't worth mentioning. The Feds got that all so very wrong in both codes. In 2018 I think it was he got fined for calling Adam Hamilton "a dirty grub". His record is better than most trainers and worse than a few.

He has made it quite clear who he is. Can't help himself as he is blinded by his crusade. The article that he posted from the Black Horse Newsletter I admit I did weep when reading. Tears of laughter! 🤣 It is absolute bollocks! When I get time I'll pull it to shreds. I wouldn't be surprised if it initiates some law suits.