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Correct - G Burgess is listed officially as the Trainer. However It was reported on the HRNZ site that it was currently domiciled at R & J Dunn's stable at Woodend. Which is just over 10km from Burgess. As with most of these going off half cocked beat ups some of the facts are conveniently overlooked. It was acquired by Burgess around the middle of last year. Mrs RM Low was the previous trainer - who essentially is an amateur trainer recording 8 wins from 183 lifetime starts since 2005! Burgess took it to the workouts in October last year. It ran third driven by himself. Then a trial 22 December driven by J Dunn. Didn't get the best of runs but ran on a little. Didn't do much racing at Ashburton 11 January after a good run but was definitely hanging. Then it wins yesterday. Change of gear. Didn't hang. Softest run of the race. It happens. A fitter and happier horse.

Hardly a cheap shot @Forbury. Don't you think it is a bit off for a prominent owner to cast aspersions or allegations against NZ's Leading Trainer without posting any evidence? Then hides behind a private Facebook page? Perhaps some should look closer at those who throw the first stones!

I watched the race and thought hell it didn't win all that convincingly with the softest run of the race. Doesn't say much for the rest of the field!

Some people look for ghosts. Neville Bennett has such a grudge about something. Wouldn't be surprised if it was him feeding Peter Proft all the crap. Perhaps a case of glasshouses and stones? If he has evidence of what he asserts then he should publish it.

Why isn't an issue for MPI to investigate?

The Dunn's must be getting pissed off with the idiots casting aspersions that they are cheats. It's not cheating to do what you are good at and that's to TRAIN a horse. No obligation to tell every punter that you've got your horse going really well.

I'd say nothing more than that. Mind you it doesn't take much of a bet in NZ to scare the bookies or to substantially drop the tote price. The Dunn's have a long history of turning problem horses around. They've made a bit of a niche out of it. Whereas unless a horse is really top notch the All Stars off-load problem horses. Been going on forever. I remember when my father owned a few he was always on the look out for horses that showed good sectionals but had gait or behavioural issues. Once you found the problem and solved it then you set up for the punt. Really stuffs up the punters that rely on their algorithms!

It wouldn't unless you administered less than 5 days before swabbing or took hair samples. I would imagine the shady vet was not only rebottling but diluting as well. Don't forget Navarro has already admitted to using relabelled Clenbuterol.

Hope you all got plenty. No doubt we are in for another round of Dunn stable bagging and the Peter Proft NZ Harness Journalist is filing their story right now. Often it doesn't take a master trainer much to turn around a horse.

Surprised me how well he sprinted. I've followed him all his career but he accelerated quicker than I thought. Not a particularly a fast time for the Thorndon though. Just a useful handicapper in OZ?!

Still no times for some races and no explanation.

What I really really find annoying is the BS conspiracy shyte that spouts forth from a few that fuels the rumours. Aided and abetted by incompetent Racing Judiciaries. Why has it taken so long for the RIB to say something about the Wigg and Jones cases? It just makes things worse. It is clearly evident that one or two individuals from the Trainer or Owner ranks are feeding the rumours. You can't tell me that their motivation is honest. They've been targeting the Dunn stable for months using anything they can. Note: it isn't you @the galah

So you seem to be suggesting that the trainers who gave evidence they sought out the vet, because of his reputation for supplying the best performance enhancers that wouldn't be picked up by testing, were duped.And so many top trainers amongst them and all so gullible. And it went on for years. Yes they were duped or they turned a blind eye. They would have not had the resources to get the substances they were being given tested. Nor would they be inclined to for obvious reasons. As long as they saw improvement in their horses why would they query what they were being given? Yes. There was no way to prove correlation or causation between the drug horse and subsequent outcomes. They are dishonest. They broke the rules of racing by administering intravenously non FDA (approved but mislabelled) or Racing approved substances for competition. They are also fools but it is convenient to plead ignorance and sing for the prosecution. What they were using were probably performance enhancers. What's more they are likely to have been known and prohibited performance enhancers e.g. mislabelled Clenbuterol. Now there is a whole area of debate between what is a performance enhancer and what is a therapeutic. The irony with Clenbuterol is that it is a decongestant and bronchodilator I.e. it helps horses breathe easier. One of the weaknesses of the modern equine athlete. Clenbuterol is used to treat human asthmatics. However it can also be abused by regular use and has a side effect that is analogous to a steroid in that it will stimulate increased muscle mass while reducing weight. I'm not ignoring any evidence. I just don't believe that Fishman has developed a new and wonderful drug by himself. All he has done is mislabel and repurposed an existing drug and educated the users on how to avoid detection. Such is the history of ALL the cases of drug abuse in horse racing. "Elephant Juice" - etorphine - a narcotic derived tranquiliser. "Blue Magic" - propantheline bromide. Developed to treat bowel and stomach issues in humans. "Milkshake" - sodium bicarbonate. Used in you Grandma's scones. Neutralises the effects of lactic acid build up from exercise. As for Cobalt well the jury is well out on that one.

I get the joke but seriously why haven't any times been posted for most of the races today?

She has huge upside. When she strengthens up and gets more coordinated she'll be even better.

But should Riddell have gone forward or dropped back? Wasn't that Elliot's choice? Wouldn't have got close to the winner regardless.

Wow been a while since I've seen a filly let down like that!!!! Big stride and flattens out beautifully. Changed legs a few times and did it easy!

Yep posted 3 wide.....

Allegedly.

Yeah well your views don't help that do they.

The Feds confiscated these alleged PED's from Fishman (picture below). There is no way they don't know what is contained in the bottles. My guess it is mainly Clenbuterol. Fishman is staying silent. The obvious reason being that there would be some very unhappy people about when they realise Fishman was pushing well known drugs as his "special snakeoil"! Note he is charged with two counts of conspiring to violate adulteration and misbranding laws. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 15 years in prison.

Was the RIB "Investigator" a qualified Vet? Did they visit the property with a qualified vet? Did a RIB contracted Vet examine the horse on the property? It will be interesting to read what treatments Harris allegedly hasn't administered.

The CJC is just plain lazy and or broke. They either don't have enough volunteers to monitor pods of 100 or can't pay for staff. I can't think of any other reasons. Tim Mills - don't bother going to the races contrary to what you think YOU AREN'T essential staff. A race meeting can be run WITHOUT your committee and Presidents bar. Just hand the keys to the RIB and NZTR.

The RIB hasn't changed still a pseudo Police outfit with all the worst bits.

Trainer charged after Covid-19 vaccine pass investigation Glenn McLean05:00, Jan 29 2022 GRANT MATTHEW/FAIRFAX NZ/STUFF Trudy Keegan has been charged with breaching racing rules. Taranaki horse trainer Trudy Keegan has been charged with a breach of racing rules after an investigation into the alleged use of a fake Covid-19 vaccine pass. Racing Integrity Board chief executive Mike Clement confirmed an investigation into the presentation of a fraudulent vaccine pass took place after a race meeting at Ōtaki on January 13. “As a result of which a person has been charged with a breach of racing rules,” he said in a statement. “This matter is to be heard on a date yet to be determined.”