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Aegon is at 26's TABCORP - only 18's TAB NZ!!!! A bit of value there as Baker will have him wound right up. If he starts! Draw a shocker.

Yes you definitely belong to the @Thomass school of punting. I'm looking for value relative to what I assess its chances of winning are.

Well that narrows it down.....not!

What's your training record?

But how much do they lose? Isn't that hard to open an offshore account. I'd take the 19's but wouldn't look at 15.1

Heaps of room at Ruakaka.

Well give you more credit than @Thomass unlike him you've actually put something up BEFORE the race!

TAB NZ 132%

TABCORP 18's.

TAB NZ has her at 15's which isn't good value at all.

So on that basis you'll be having a lick?

Well I reckon might be able to get more.

Just a little bit more value.

Hilarious comedy though. Did you hear his rant on mRNA vaccines and Darwinism? Obviously has no idea about either!

Wait until the day might get more than the current $19's.

Very Often.

Must be a bugger @Joe Bloggs and @Gammalite having the Qland suffix?!! Gai Waterhouse says race favourite Incentivise will have to defy history if he is to win next Tuesday’s Lexus Melbourne Cup. Waterhouse, who hopes to saddle up two runners in the Melbourne Cup herself, has driven down to Victora to be part of the Cup Carnival festivities and spoke at the VRC’s launch on Monday. “He’s got a suffix which is unusual, which is Queensland,” Waterhouse said. “And I don’t mean that in any way rudely, but I think there’s only been one winner of the Cup from Queensland. “And my father had Gunsynd one of the greatest horses to race in Queensland and he couldn’t win the Cup. “I hope he does win the Cup, he’s Aussie, Aussie, Aussie I’d love to see him win the Cup, but it doesn’t happen very often. “That suffix is so important in this race – I don’t think people realise.” Gai Waterhouse and training partner Adrian Bott’s leading fancy in the Melbourne Cup comes in the form of Sir Lucan, the lightly raced full-brother to 2020 Cox Plate winner Sir Dragonet. Owned in similar interests to Sir Dragonet, the veteran of just eight starts sits 24th in Monday’s latest order of entry and still risks being jumped by Saturday’s Hotham Handicap winner. “He’s down at Weribee and I was there yesterday supervising him and he’s a very young horse,” Waterhouse explained. “He’s probably a preparation away but he comes in with 50 kilograms on his back and he is proven over the distance.” Sir Lucan won the Listed Yeats Stakes in May and last raced in September when eighth in the Group 1 St Ledger. Sportsbet have the son of Camelot marked a $19 chance for the Melbourne Cup. Sir Lucan (IRE) Trainer G.M.Waterhouse AO Age 4YO Sex Horse Colour Bay Prize Money $152,926 Last 5 -248- Career 8-2-1-0 The Waterhouse and Bott team's second runner sits firmly in the final field of 24 in Knights Order, who finished ninth in last Wednesday’s Geelong Cup. “Already in the Cup is the Queensland Cup winner in Knights Order,” she said. “He will run in the Lexus on Saturday which is 2600 metres and then hopefully back up in the Cup. “Not done a lot these days but it’s certainly a tried and true way, old fashioned a bit.” Knights Order (IRE) Trainer G.M.Waterhouse AO Age 7YO Sex Gelding Colour Bay or Brown Prize Money $467,501 Last 5 -9119 Career 20-7-0-2 Waterhouse said the stringent pre-race veterinary requirements that has seen less than normal international participation this year was an opportunity for local trainers to claim back the Cup, just as Waterhouse did in 2013 with Fiorente. “It’s certainly harsh but it does keep a lot of the overseas horses away and it gives the locals a bit more of a chance,” Waterhouse said. “They’ve had a pretty good bite of the cherry for the last 35 years so it’s nice to see the local horses being able to represented. “Horses who are being trained in Australia, it’s nice to see the money stay in Australia. “I’m not saying don’t have imports - but it’s nice to see a few more of our own here – it is our race.” The Victoria Racing Club officially launched the Melbourne Cup Carnival on Monday with tickets going on sale for 5500 patrons for Derby Day on Monday afternoon.

HarnessNSW Inter Dominion to be shown live on Sky Thoroughbred Central Harness racing’s premier event, the Inter Dominion series, will be shown on Sky Thoroughbred Central. By Ray Thomas 07:29pm • 26 October 2021 Comments Harness racing’s showpiece event, the $1.1 million TAB Inter Dominion Pacing and Trotting Championships series, will be shown live for the first time on Sky Thoroughbred Central. Sky’s flagship channel will show full coverage of the three Inter Dominion rounds of heats at Tabcorp Park Menangle, Gold Crown Paceway Bathurst and Newcastle International Paceway from Saturday, November 27, culminating with the Grand Finals on Saturday night, December 11 at Menangle. Harness Racing NSW chief executive John Dumesny said broadcasting the Inter Dominion to a wider audience was the key element in securing the partnership with Tabcorp and Sky. King Of Swing is favourite for the 2021 Inter Dominion Final to be held at Menangle. Picture: Ashlea Brennan Photography “We’re indebted to David Attenborough and Adam Rytenskild for the Tabcorp sponsorship, John Vellis and the Sky management team for continuing to support harness racing in NSW and, importantly, Peter V’landys and Racing NSW, which exclusively provides the thoroughbred content for Sky Thoroughbred Central allowing this never-before broadcast opportunity for harness racing,” Dumesny said. “The broadcast will allow harness racing to be showcased on a channel watched and appreciated by racing followers around the world, hosted by the best talent available, many of whom have a true affinity for harness racing having begun their stellar careers at the trots.” The return of crowds to the track will be complemented by the broadcast of all Inter Dominion events on Sky’s Thoroughbred Central.

Remember this horse? 2006 – Efficient You wouldn’t see a better ride and it was also some win by Efficient in the 2006 Victoria Derby. One of the greatest Victoria Derby winners of all time, the grey son of Zabeel was in a different league to his opponents and relished the strong gallop set up by Spring Champion Stakes winner Teranaba. Efficient ran his final 400m in almost a second faster than any of his rivals, winning by a widening 2-1/4 lengths from Gorky Park and Teranaba. “He was electric, just a different grade,” Rodd said. “This horse can really level out, he makes them look second rate. “It's just unbelievable what this horse has done.” Efficient was trained by Kiwi trainer Graeme Rogerson and trained on to win the Melbourne Cup the following year and a Turnbull Stakes in 2009.

Victoria Derby ‘Little battling Kiwi trainer’ finally lands J-Mac for Derby Tony Pike says Tutukaka is a big chance in the Victoria Derby. Picture: AAP By Ben Dorries 01:42pm • 27 October 2021 Comments Tony Pike has been stirring up his former Kiwi countryman James McDonald for years about hardly ever riding for him, but the great mates are combining for a gilt-edged chance to win Saturday’s Group 1 Victoria Derby. Damian Lane rode Pike’s charge Tutukaka to an impressive win in the recent Geelong Classic but Pike has turned to “J-Mac’’ for the Derby as Lane will miss the bumper day due to a whip suspension. Surprisingly, New Zealander Pike and former Kiwi McDonald have only teamed up on rare occasions. But after narrowly missing snaring a Group 1 together when The Bostonian got pipped in the George Ryder Stakes at Rosehill in March last year, the duo are determined to make it count in Saturday’s Derby. And some good-natured ribbing is just the way to prepare for a Derby tilt on Tutukaka who is rated a $9 chance by TAB fixed odds. “James has hardly ever ridden for me, he’s too bloody hard to get,” Pike quipped. “He is far too high profile for a little battling Kiwi trainer like myself. “He is actually one of my best mates, he comes on a Queenstown golf tour pretty regularly and I give it to him all the time about hardly ever riding for me. “We got close with The Bostonian in the George Ryder, so hopefully we can go one better on Saturday.” James McDonald will ride Tutukaka in the Derby. Picture: NCA Newswire. A Derby win would be a pick-me-up for Cambridge-based Pike who due to Covid-19 restrictions in New Zealand has unable to go to all but one local racetrack in his homeland in recent times. It would also be a great tonic for McDonald who had his Cox Plate favourite Zaaki scratched on race morning last Saturday and on Wednesday the British Melbourne Cup challenger he was booked for, Away He Goes, was ruled out with a tendon injury. As for Pike, the astute Kiwi horseman has won five Australian Group 1s – four of which have come in Queensland, which has been a happy hunting ground for him in the last five years. He has never won a Victorian Group 1 but thinks that can change with Tutukaka who he said matured considerably during a three-run campaign during the Queensland winter carnival. Due to Covid-19 restrictions, Tutukaka missed a trial before going to Victoria for the spring and was a run short in his first two Victorian hit-outs before he showed what he is capable of when surging home to win the Classic over 2200m at Geelong. Pike said the 2500m Derby trip will be even more in his sweet spot. “He came to Australia short of a run but I really do think he is now peaking at exactly the right time,” Pike said. “We got some work into him going into the Geelong Classic and he relaxed beautifully and did pretty much everything right. “The Derby trip should be no problem at all. “If he can get a soft run midfield with cover he will be a genuine chance, he will run the trip out better than most.” Tutukaka winning the Geelong Classic last week. Picture: Getty Images While Pike is convinced Tutukaka will love every metre of the 2500m Derby test, he feels there are question marks around some others who are well regarded in the betting market. Last Saturday’s Moonee Valley Vase winner Forgot You is likely to start Derby favourite but Pike said “that horse still has to get to 2500m and last Saturday he had a tough run on a wet track”. Pike feels Ciaron Maher and Dave Eustace’s Derby runner Hitotsu “looks a smart horse off his Caulfield Guineas run but now has to jump from a mile to 2500m”. “There are a few question marks about a heap of Derby runners,” Pike said. “We are in there with a good a chance and I am confident he will run the trip out better than most. “The trip away to Queensland during the winter helped him grow up. “If I hadn’t taken him to Queensland I would have had no chance of getting him to a Derby as he wouldn’t have had enough prizemoney and he wouldn’t have had enough mileage under his belt.”

Group 1 RacingVictoria Derby Pros and cons for every Victoria Derby runner MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA – OCTOBER 16: Jye McNeil riding Gunstock winning race 5, the Neds Classic, during Caulfield Cup Day at Caulfield Racecourse on October 16, 2021 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Vince Caligiuri/Getty Images) By Stephen Brassel 04:09pm • 27 October 2021 Comments Following Tuesday’s barrier draw, National Racing Editor Stephen Brassel makes a case for and against each runner in the $2m Victoria Derby at Flemington. While Forgot You and Gunstock hold sway at the top of the markets it’s a wide open edition of the 2500m classic and barriers have made it even more intriguing. 1 – FORGOT YOU (8) $3 Daniel Moor, 57kg, Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young HIT: He’s a winner even though he never gets home by far and should run the 2500m right out. MISS: Sixth run of his preparation? 2 – TUTUKAKA (12) $11 James McDonald 57kg, Tony Pike HIT: Change of tactics and hit the line strongly to win the Geelong Classic and looks a genuine stayer and superstar hoop James McDonald taking the reins another plus. MISS: Never beat much last start. 3 – ALEGRON (9) $9 Brett Prebble 57kg, James Cummings HIT: Ran the best last 800m of the Spring Champion Stakes to finish third. MISS: Just one win from eight starts. 4 – GUNSTOCK (19) $4 Jye McNeil 57kg, Mick Price & Michael Kent Jr HIT: Impressive winning the Caulfield Classic and the stable and jockey are firing and Gunstock is improving every time he goes to the races. MISS: Wide draw and short run to first turn. 5 – AKIHIRO (2) $26 Rachel King (57kg), Gary Portelli HIT: Most experienced having had 10 starts and raced handy and fought on well enough in Moonee Valley Vase for fifth. MISS: Question over a tough 2500m. 6 – CHARACTER (10) $26 Fred Kersley, James Cummings HIT: Run down late after being there to win in the Geelong Classic and that followed solid fourth at Flemington. MISS: Been up a long time. 7 – JUNGLE MAGNATE (5) $21 Luke Currie, Mick Price & Michael Kent Jr HIT: Solid effort at only his fourth start when home strongly behind Forgot You at Moonee Valley and perfectly drawn. MISS: Not as experienced as some of the others. 8 – COMMANDER HARRY (15) $21 Linda Meech 57kg, Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young HIT: Tremendous effort off a tough run when down narrowly to stablemate Forgot You at Moonee Valley last week. MISS: Was last week a fluke as he started $91? Forgot You runs down Commander Harry in last week’s Vase. Picture: Michael Klein 9 – HITOTSU (7) $9 John Allen 57kg, Ciaron Maher & David Eustace HIT: Came off an impressive Donald maiden for great 5th behind Anamoe in the Caulfield Guineas and gets Cox Plate-winning hoop on top. MISS: Having just his third start of the preparation and 1600m to 2500m? 10 – CERBERUS (20) $34 Damien Thornton 57kg, Anthony & Sam Freedman HIT: Was having only his third start when getting home strongly in Listed company at Morphettville last time out. MISS: Won in a blanket finished last time and draws the outside gate. 11 – GUNDEC (3) $51 Craig Williams 57kg, Symon Wilde HIT: Gets Craig Williams in the saddle and drawn beautifully for an on-pacer. MISS: Well beaten last time. 12 – CLYDE (6) $101 Dean Yendall 57kg, Gary Portelli HIT: Winner two of his last four starts in NSW and rock hard fit. MISS: Been winning in much lower grade. 13 – EL ROCKO (16) $101 Jamie Mott 57kg, John McArdle HIT: Run had some merit when just over three lengths from Forgot You at Moonee Valley last week. MISS: Still a maiden after eight starts and drawn wide. 14 – RAGING BULL (17) $34 TBD 57kg, David Payne HIT: Astute trainer and easily won his maiden at Wyong two runs back. MISS: Only battled when 6th in the Champion Stakes. 15 – CHEERFUL MOMENT (14) $51 Blaike McDougall 57kg, Lindsey Smith HIT: Looked a likely staying type after a couple of tough efforts when down narrowly at Flemington and Caulfield before failing last Saturday. MISS: Has covered more ground than Burke and Wills from NZ to WA and now Victoria. Cheerful Moment ran a close third at Caulfield two starts ago. Picture: Michael Klein 16 – TEEWATERS (4) $17 Declan Bates 57kg, Archie Alexander HIT: Putting together a nice record with a win and three placings past four starts and solid at Caulfield last time. MISS: Clearly outstayed by Gunstock last time. 17(e) – ZOUMON (13) $51 Glen Boss 57kg, Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott HIT: Winner two from three and gets proven Group 1 winners Glen Boss and Waterhouse/Bott. Has the speed to get out of any trouble early. MISS: Only won a Moe benchmark 70 last time. 18(e) – SEBASTIAN THE FOX (1) $67 Jarrod Fry 57kg, Shay Keating HIT: Battled away when fourth behind Gunstock last time after solid third at Flemington. MISS: One win was on Ballarat synthetic. 19(e) – KING OF PHARAOHS (18) $101 Will Gordon 57kg, Lindsey Smith HIT: Bolted in with his maiden at Coleraine three runs back winning by nine lengths and two runs since have been solid. MISS: This is much harder and drawn wide out. 20(e) – SPIRIT OF GAYLARD (11) $26 Jordan Childs 57kg, Mitchell Freedman HIT: Held up for a run and good effort when fifth behind Forgot You in the Moonee Valley Vase last week. MISS: As fourth emergency doubt he’ll get a run.

R5 Empire Rose Stakes 1600m 17:00 Bookie Offers (2) Fields & Form Speedmap Odds Sort: Runner Number Odds: Best Odds 1. Colette (8) 5yoM dsh 😄 19: 7-3-0 L10: x12454x651 T: J Cummings J: D Oliver (57kg) 6.50 2. Mystic Journey (3) 6yoM tds 😄 27: 12-4-1 L10: 017x225x23 T: A Trinder J: L Nolen (57kg) 6 3. Tofane (NZL) (2) 6yoM ts 😄 25: 7-4-3 L10: 7x7211x342 T: M Moroney J: C Williams (57kg) 3.80 4. Sierra Sue (NZL) (1) 5yoM ts 😄 19: 8-1-0 L10: x060411710 T: T Busuttin & N Young J: D Moor (57kg) 31 5. Still A Star (5) 5yoM tds 😄 18: 10-6-1 L10: 11x1021x31 T: B Ryan J: L Currie (57kg) 11 6. Nimalee (9) 5yoM ds 😄 17: 6-4-1 L10: 5x1194x424 T: M Smith J: R King (57kg) 41 7. Mirra Vision (10) 5yoM ds 😄 18: 7-2-0 L10: 84x1414121 T: P & P Snowden J: M Dee (57kg) 26 8. Hungry Heart (12) 4yoM 😄 15: 4-4-0 L10: x78111x848 T: C Waller J: J Allen (56.5kg) 16 9. Amarelinha (NZL) (4) 4yoM ds 😄 10: 5-2-0 L10: 1121114x86 T: J Richards J: J M Donald (56.5kg) 16 10. Sirileo Miss (15) 4yoM ds 😄 9: 5-2-1 L10: 2x1235x111 T: S Wilde J: L Meech (56.5kg) 17 11. Harmony Rose (13) 4yoM ds 😄 10: 3-2-2 L10: 2x1327x603 T: M Newnham J: G Boss (56.5kg) 51 12. Kiku (11) 4yoM dsh(D/A) 😄 11: 4-2-3 L10: 13x1116x63 T: C Waller J: B Prebble (56.5kg) 41 13. Flying Mascot (NZL) (7) 4yoM ds 😄 9: 4-2-1 L10: 1x1280x121 T: T Dabernig J: B McDougall (56.5kg) 10 14. Pride Of Jenni (6) 4yoM sh 😄 10: 2-3-2 L10: 112x26x525 T: S Wilde J: D Bates (56.5kg) 61 15. Steinem (GBR) (14) 4yoM d 😄 6: 2-1-0 L10: 1149x62 T: C Maher & D Eustace J: J McNeil (56.5kg) 41 Gear Changes: 8. Hungry Heart Tongue Tie FIRST TIME

R7 GOLDEN EAGLE 1500m 18:50 Racenet Tips & Race Analysis Fields & Form Speedmap Odds Sort: Runner Number Odds: Best Odds 1. Private Eye (17) 4yoG tsh 😄 13: 8-1-0 L10: 1x821x1741 T: J Pride J: N Rawiller (57.5kg) 7 2. I'm Thunderstruck (NZL) (10) 4yoG dsh 😄 8: 5-0-2 L10: 15x131131 T: M Price & M K (Jnr) J: H Bowman (57.5kg) 4.20 3. Aegon (NZL) (20) 4yoG ts 😄 9: 5-0-0 L10: 11x1160x40 T: M Baker & A Forsman J: J Collett (57.5kg) 34 4. Apache Chase (6) 4yoG d 😄 16: 7-1-1 L10: 4041210x11 T: D Forster J: J Byrne (57.5kg) 9 5. Aysar (15) 4yoH sb 😄 13: 2-4-1 L10: 2x229x0446 T: B & J Hayes J: J Ford (57.5kg) 151 6. Aim (14) 4yoG t 😄 16: 4-0-1 L10: 7x61x967x1 T: P & P Snowden J: A Adkins (57.5kg) 41 7. Amish Boy (11) 4yoH 😄 19: 1-5-4 L10: 234734x297 T: C Maher & D Eustace J: K O'Hara (57.5kg) 41 8. Exoboom (12) 4yoG dh 😄 12: 4-4-1 L10: 1x2130x891 T: P & P Snowden J: L Magorrian (57.5kg) 27 9. Ellsberg (1) 4yoH tdb 😄 11: 4-4-2 L10: 13x1422x12 T: G Ryan & S Alexiou J: J Parr (57.5kg) 11 10. Love Tap (3) 4yoG tdsh 😄 9: 5-0-0 L10: 1114x7x014 T: R & M Freedman J: R Dolan (57.5kg) 41 11. Count De Rupee (4) 4yoG ts 😄 13: 5-3-3 L10: 31x2183x13 T: R & L Price J: B Ryan (57.5kg) 15 12. Laws Of Indices (IRL) (19) 4yoC s 😄 11: 3-0-1 L10: 473x54518x T: A Neasham J: T Berry (56.5kg) 23 13. Maximal (GBR) (22) 4yoC 😄 8: 1-5-0 L10: 2218x2242x T: J O'Shea J: A Collett (56.5kg) 15 14. Reve De Vol (IRL) (7) 4yoG s 😄 8: 2-1-1 L10: 18354x162x T: A Neasham J: B Loy (56.5kg) 41 15. Forbidden Love (16) 4yoM sh 😄 17: 5-0-5 L10: 19107x4783 T: R & M Freedman J: J V Overmeire (55.5kg) 31 16. Vangelic (5) 4yoM t 😄 16: 2-3-2 L10: x8245x4105 T: G Waterhouse & A Bott J: T Clark (55.5kg) 26 17. Media Award (9) 4yoM ds 😄 7: 3-1-1 L10: 823x111x8 T: C Calthorpe J: J Martin (55.5kg) 41 18. Atishu (NZL) (18) 4yoM s 😄 13: 6-2-2 L10: 31111x1416 T: C Waller J: G Schofield (55.5kg) 23 19e. Kiku (21) 4yoM tsh(D/A) 😄 11: 4-2-3 L10: 13x1116x63 T: C Waller J: (55.5kg) 61 20e. Our Playboy (2) 4yoG sh 😄 15: 4-0-0 L10: 008x6751x7 T: M Price & M K (Jnr) J: (57.5kg) 101 21e. Wheelhouse (13) 4yoG s 😄 10: 1-3-0 L10: 2x144509x7 T: C Waller J: (57.5kg) 101 22e. Blondeau (8) 4yoG sh 😄 20: 4-3-5 L10: 4x13341324 T: C Waller J: (57.5kg) 201 Gear Changes: 18. Atishu Blinkers FIRST TIME, 5. Aysar Pacifiers FIRST TIME, 9. Ellsberg Bubble Cheeker (Near Side) AGAIN, 2. I'm Thunderstruck Ear Muffs (Pre-Race Only) FIRST TIME, 12. Laws Of Indices Cross-over Nose Band FIRST TIME, 13. Maximal Blinkers FIRST TIME, Lugging Bit FIRST TIME, 14. Reve De Vol Cross-over Nose Band FIRST TIME

Well it would be interesting to see some detailed accounts and budgets like we used to. Saundry makes Purcell look like the epitome of transparency and openess.

Precisely! I think every woman between the ages of 18 and 35 who haven't had children should be able to display their bare midriffs at the races!