Chief Stipe

On another tack.....just comparing the camera angles from Rosehill with Trentham. The camera at Rosehill is obviously placed really high but the Trentham one is lower down. In my opinion the view at Rosehill is better you get to see the gaps that horses can or do run through whereas Trentham is more side on and you get no idea if a horse has a clear run or not.

Too small. If you were going to sell Trentham you'd put Awapuni on the market as well and can the AWT. But all that aside I think horse training in the CD is terminal and you can't sustain racing without a good pool of horses trained locally.

Is it an earthquake risk? Or weren't there enough mirrors in the bathroom?

No point unless it provides another source of revenue. In that regard Trentham cannot compete with Central Wellington. Need to invest in renovating the track. The members stand is more than sufficient to cater for the crowds they get now.

Which meeting will win today's wagering turnover race? Wingatui or Trentham? Going on the comments on BOAY in recent days it would have to be Wingatui by 6 lengths!

Cameron George you can't do both the Warrior's and the NZTR jobs. Resign from one or end your career in ignominy. Peter V’landys you are definitely NOT. I suggest you hang up the cartel suit and stick to wearing the Rugby League jersey. Costs are out of control at NZTR, the number of employees are increasing at rate the industry can't afford and you have an IT Project out of control.

Some could do it with colour as well. How they could be accurate and paint a picture I could never fathom. Jack O'Donnell was a classic especially with Harness - "they're a grand sight in sunshine as they race down the back straight.....as they straighten up for the run home Jack Smolenski gives the dust sheet a tap or two and his charge is out by a length or two...." Keith Haub the same when he wasn't distracted by his horse or his bet!

I meant wake up in the morning as in a sudden closure of NZ racing. Arguably that nearly occurred in 2020 when the Creditors were knocking and before Winston bailed the industry out.

WRC used to subsidise travel for those attending from afar. Don't they do that anymore?

Then we all agree that the current system in NZ is FUCKED. I guess we all agree that recent changes are still more of the same. It is clearly evident that there is still a great deal of passion and support for the industry in NZ. I believe that the biggest impediment to change is that stakeholders are not willing to collaborate and work together on their common interests. The industry is at a point where it is all about self-interest. Be it the small time owner and or trainer that just wants to focus on trying to get a win with their horse or the big time owner and or trainer buying the best and wanting to get more of the top end cake. End result - you're all getting fucked over. One day you'll wake up and it will be gone. Greyhounds will be gone before the next election, Harness is sleep walking to oblivion and Thoroughbreds are smugly thinking that they will benefit from the other codes demise.

I don't buy the "we tried that in 1984" argument. A good idea and the right idea needs to keep being pushed - their time comes eventually. If it isn't then all stakeholders abdicate any right to criticise.

Charming (not) but a poor attempt at humour. Getting back to the issues confronting the industry - what are you suggestions to fix the issues? Or is that beyond you? What would YOU do to fix the programming issues? Seems it has been established in the discussion so far that the Programming Committees have no influence nor do the leading trainers that are on them. Not that I believe that.

Really? You are splitting hairs or rather splitting the training partnership? So it is "basically a rubber stamping exercise" - the why bother with the committees or being on them if you have no influence over the programming mess? So Tim Mills is the problem even though he isn't on the committee? FFS.

So what are the key metrics that relate to high punter turnover? If Ellerslie had raced on Saturday and Kumara on Sunday would the outcome have been different?

Hard to lift your energy when you have to commentate endless poor quality races. Damn sight easier if you are in Sydney, Melbourne or even Brisbane.

Not so sure - potentially looks good for the K1 but I would say the NZ domestic market is considerably weaker than the OZ market. If I had a K2 yearling that was a good type and knocking on the door of K1 breeding wise I'd be rolling the dice and trying my luck with an Ozzie sale.

Super sale still holding up. 94% clearance rate!!! Heading towards a quarter of a billion dollars in gross sales.

So all Jockey's don't ride trackwork and all trackwork riders are not Jockey's? Jockey's don't start out riding trackwork?

Didn't you read the decision and what the Senior Stipe said? Or are you implying that the Stipe was "got at" prior to the hearing?

Further to the Bosson decision, going by the comments of the Senior Stipe I wouldn't be surprised if there are amendments made to the rules and penalty guidelines to remove the ambiguity.

How do you propose to raise the standard of NZ race Jockey's if you don't start with standards at the entry level?

But if that happens it is even more reason to have a system in place to ensure standards and quality.

‘Time to Admit Failure,’ Leading Immunologist Tells Israel’s Ministry of Health In an open letter to Israel’s Ministry of Health, Professor Ehud Qimron, head of the department of microbiology and immunology at Tel Aviv University, wrote, “When the destructive concepts collapse one by one, there is nothing left but to tell the experts who led the management of the pandemic — we told you so.” By David Charbonneau, Ph.D. Professor Ehud Qimron, head of the department of microbiology and immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of Israel’s leading immunologists, last week denounced what he called the Israeli government’s mismanagement of the pandemic. In an open letter to Israel’s Ministry of Health, Qimron wrote: “Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. 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So you accept the current system doesn't work (you've proposed an alternative in the past) but what exactly is wrong with this new proposal?

At face value it looks OK what they are doing. I guess the additional cost and barrier to entry is justified if it prevents problems occurring like the McKee case.