Chief Stipe

Accepting your form analysis is correct (which I doubt) what is your answer to your "Why?" question?

Good cattle, good trainer and fantastic mentors.

Well that's the only "extra leg" identified so far and even then it wasn't the RIU that found it. What are you trying to prove? That Purdon got better when INCA started? Make your mind up. Why don't you specifically say what it is you think? Are you saying that Purdon/Rasmussen were cheating? Even though there has been no evidence found and especially since your fantastic NEW RIU has been doing such a good job!

Their average since 2014 is 0.4599. How long has INCA being producing zero results? Are you suggesting Natalie drove better on Ecstasy?

FFS we've debated the drop in UDR. Do you spend all day going around looking under the beds and couches for intruders? Statistically the "drop in UDR" is insignificant and the inference you draw between cause and correlation is crap. Have you done a comparative analysis on every other trainer? Have you adjusted for the loss or gain of horses into Cullen's stable? So was it INCA or the pandemic or both that caused this so called "drop in UDR"?

I see that there is no difference between Hayden Cullen's UDR and his previous bosses! I guess he didn't lose too many good horses only the slow ones! If you add up the two totals they are a million dollars ahead of second place in terms of stakes earning. Looks like Cullen will clock up over a $1 million in stakes earnings well before the season is finished. Nearly done it in less than 4 months!

FFS don't tell me you make money out of selling form analysis as well? So what was this "other leg" that the "World Class Drug Testing" system couldn't identify?

If you want to try and "out" someone (unsuccessfully I might add) then out yourself first.

Rubbish that is only a perception not a fact. Surely you are taking the piss by inferring that it has improved? Inconsistency is rampant - from Lamb the starter, to inconsistent non-starter declarations, to unfathomable application of the whipping rules, to sitting on positive drug charges etc, etc! Get over the Blue Magic "scandal" - it happened 16 years ago!!!! You really think that this RIU mob is an improvement? INCA has been an absolute travesty and a waste of millions of dollars without ONE RESULT! So who have the RIU "caught"? Nothing from INCA aside from some recreational dug charges which weren't even in their target! Then outside of INCA who have they "caught"? McGrath and Alford. How were they caught? By hiding in hedges wearing flak jackets! So much for a consistent and robust drug testing system - they couldn't detect anything. Racing Victoria has been testing for formalin since 2015!!!! Or did the RIU have positives that they sat on? They didn't "catch" Kerr - he was dobbed in by disgruntled owners (justifiably I might add) - no systems in place to prevent the fraud that was done and no indication since that HRNZ will put these systems in place. The RIU betting analyst (does he buy your form analysis Galah?) was unaware that Kerr was gambling millions of dollars he didn't have offshore!!! All you can come up with is a "lost a leg" theory and "well if he was dishonest enough to commit fraud then he must have been doping". No proof which shoots down your contention that the RIU is consistent and doing a great job! Their systems haven't found any evidence of cheating! Matt Anderson - again not a result for the RIU. Caught with recreational drugs by wire tapping during INCA!!!! They found NOTHING else! Then hounded by the RIU still looking for a result to hide their failure (have a read about the RIU ex-cop history!). A domestic violence event results and is dealt with by the Courts. An automatic ban punishment that is way above what the Judge imposed. RIU result = ZERO. I'm sorry Galah but your RIU form analysis just doesn't add up!!

True. A bit of misdirection from @Newmarket no doubt driven by his blind need for a public stoning. Of course if the defrauded owners wished to lodge the debts owed against the forfeit list then it wouldn't be likely that he would clear the debt sufficiently to get a license anyway.

Rule Number(s): 638(3)(b)(ii)Following the running of Race 7 the Red Door and Riverton Plumbing and Wrens Invercargill, information 11792 was filed by Stipendiary Stewart, Mr M Davidson against Apprentice Jockey, Mr K Chowdhoory, alleging a breach of Rule 638 (3) (b) (ii) “You struck your mount excessively prior to the 100 metres”. ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

They haven't caught anyone while spending millions of dollars of tax payer and industry money. They haven't scared anyone - you'd have to catch someone to do that. That said the RIU are either incompetent or there was nothing to find in the first place.

Are you implying the owners are mugs? Or are you saying the father should pay for the sins of the son? That is no different to any other crime in society. Hell the rest of society bends over backwards to rehabilitate whereas racing and the likes of yourself throw them to the wolves and want a public stoning every week for the rest of their Iives. If Mitchell Kerr does come back doesn't "buyer beware" become a factor? Who knows he may go on to be as successful as Purdon and Rasmussen. Perhaps HRNZ have pulled a finger and are working on putting in place systems that prevent over selling of horses and one that registers financial interests against the horses they register and licence. Now that would have a few people scurrying to tidy their paper work up.

Galah all you can see are Ghosts. Your argument relies entirely on the assertion that is Kerr was defrauding his owners then he must have been doping his horses. You have no proof. The only thing that is dodgy is your form analysis to support your "lost a leg theory". Geez I'm no form expert but it wasn't hard to blow your analysis out of the park.

What's so dodgy with a trainer having a winner? Geez you must be a sad individual if that makes you depressed!

You'll find that the ground on the inside will break up and be shifty.

No

That's not correct but then you do prefer fiction. @JJ Flash you may think you post on behalf of the world but rest assured you don't. Yes I think the rules do result in people being hard done by. David Walker in the Thoroughbred code was another example. This issue isn't just about Matt Anderson it is about how the industry is run. I realise that you can't see a bigger picture. At no stage have I condoned what Anderson has done however I do have some compassion that once someone has done their time they deserve a second chance. As Brodie has pointed out Anderson is a talented horseman and the industry can't afford to lose that type of talent. I also believe that punishment should be just and relevant to the crime and in my opinion the Harness rules need to be adjusted to allow justice to be fair. A one size fits all rule does not allow them. I don't belong to the stone them, hang them, draw and quarter them brigade. I certainly have never been obsequious at any stage of my life and don't intend to start now just to be popular.

FFS is English your second language? I said I don't agree with the rule and it should be changed!!!! What part of that statement don't you understand? Idiots like you constantly bagging it doesn't help. But that said Harness is in no more trouble than any of the codes and the biggest reason for that is that years of administrators taking the piss and the money and more recently an out of control RIU. Your average stakeholder has just gone about their work and put up with it. It is about time that those stakeholders stood up and fought back.

You are speculating as we don't know what the circumstances were. It should also be noted that Anderson's 3 month home detention sentence ended in March this year. He had done the hard part of his Court sentence which no doubt was part of the reason his supporters sought to get an exemption to get him reintegrated back into society. As for sneaking around that is a bit emotive. Were the RIU hiding in bushes again? Or did the 0800 RIU SNITCH line buzz? I imagine Anderson has a considerable legal bill plus the $5,000 reparation payment and the JCA fines to pay. Why shouldn't he be able to work behind the scenes of Harness Racing out of the public eye?

No - under the rules nothing would happen to them as they have been convicted. Even if they did apply the rule then the ban would be TWO years not ONE!!!! That is the point I'm making. The rule is draconian and inflexible and results in unjust punishment. I'd be more than willing to assist anyone who wishes to challenge the rule.

Salacious repetitive muck raking journalism fed by leaks from the RIU. If the industry is truly worried about its image then is should be managing the release of information and that requires the HRNZ leadership to be kept abreast of RIU charges BEFORE the media. Other professional sports front foot these things.

But they aren't. They have a one size fits all rule. If Anderson had done 6 months prison time he would have received the same automatic suspension. Anderson has 3 months community detention meaning that he is managed by Corrections and has restrictions on where he can live, work and who he can associate with. He has a curfew and will be wearing an ankle bracelet. After 3 months the detention ends.

In case you didn't notice JJ Flash BOAY is a forum where people can express opinion's. I realise you struggle with anything outside the echo chamber you normally frequent. FFS we don't need you to introduce the facts - we all know the facts! In case you didn't notice my opinion/argument is that the RULE IS WRONG! It is draconian and unjust. It is an arcane rule that harks back to the hold Racing Act. But I won't bore you with the history or even test your attention span.

Well I hope those that are supporting Anderson indeed "take the system on". In my opinion there are many legal precedents to call upon to present a winning case.