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Damn. Corona Relentless beaten a nose. Finished fast. When he gets up to 300m and the blinkers are off he should bolt in. An up and coming breed at the moment - By He's Relentless out of Corona Concierge.

BTW the data I'm using are from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

They are but it varies by State. For example the Queensland TAB has a different setup to Victoria. From what I understand is that the Queensland TAB sole source of income is race wagering. Whereas TABCORP earns their revenue from Gaming (Tatts, Lotto etc), Pokies and Racing. I don't know if Vic Racing gets revenue from Gaming and Pokies. Queensland Racing has slashed stakes and overheads but its revenue is up more than 20%. The only game in town at the moment. My biggest point is that with some strong leadership we could still be racing in NZ or at the very least training in preparation for racing resuming. In some ways I admire the trainer(s) who is trying to work around the system as it is. If I had my own training track I'd still be educating the young horses and getting them ready for racing. Yes I would be fast working. Hong Kong is still going to be in the market for ready to go horses. Yes when we had the referendum I voted for prohibition. I saw it as a great opportunity! Mardigras - we both have opinions and I enjoy arguing the point with you. That's what BOAY is about - robust debate!

Omen bet in R5 - Corona Relentless. Paying $8 FOB.

Get on! Quarter Horse racing at Remington Park - Oklahoma. Horse racing over greyhound distances! Fixed odds betting available at the TAB. Greyhound size tote pools! Horse are only quarter horses so a bit like greyhounds but with a rider!

We assume it is earning revenues from elsewhere. We know it ISN'T earning revenue from Pokies and Sports (assuming there is a National Table Tennis Association in NZ). As for earning revenue from OZ - well we know that there are fees associated with that and we also know that we don't know how our bookies are doing. We do know that they do worse than the tote. We do know that our punters are not racing to bet on those obscure american races - e.g. R4 from Remington Win pool $141, Quinella pool $118, Trifecta Pool $185. Do we pay fees for those races? Mind you you would expect reduced pools and fees because they are Quarter Horses. Aside from the wage subsidy we know that the cost structure for the revenue earning arm of the industry has not significantly changed. We also know that NZTR, HRNZ and GRNZ are supposedly still being paid by RITA and they haven't reduced their cost structure either. We also know that they are not receiving any income from licensees - e.g. no nomination or acceptance fees etc. It is a given that each of the industry funded organisations needed to slash costs BEFORE Covid-19 turned up.

That graph contradicts your interpretation.

Excuse me what have I quoted that is anecdotal? You're taking the piss now Mardigras. You know that our margins on OZ events are less than NZ ones. No outgoing's on stakes means no returns to those that do the work. What makes it worse is we still have large loans to service and still no sign of significant job cuts at RITA, NZTR, HRNZ, RIU etc etc.

What data are you using?

Not the magnitude nor the fact that certain businesses were impacted unfairly. The economic relief package and the business lockdowns could have been better targeted. Save whose lives? I think society needs to take a big reality check on this.

My evidence regarding the racing industry is not anecdotal. It arises from plain observation and factual information. Thoroughbred race meetings in Australia tomorrow: 15. 12 TAB, 3 non-TAB. NZ - Zero. Betting turnover in Queensland in the first two weeks of the lockdown was up 21% on last year. Looks like they are doing better than us!

Well I don't know what figures you are looking at but if it took 46 days to get to 100,000 compared to 31 days then surely the UK gradient is flatter!

Sweden's latest estimate for peak unemployment is 9% up from 7%. The have increased their Government spending ceiling but haven't borrowed what we have.

Not the UK. The UK went from 100 to 100,000 cases in 46 days. Spain 31. Italy 35. The death rate for those that have caught Covid-19 in Spain is 10%, Italy 13%, UK 13%.

How can we be sure? Our Parliament was shut down and decisions have been made by executive decree. In a broad sense I don't think anyone opposed restrictions being implemented however how they were implemented and the degree to which they have been implemented there has been disagreement. With the contagion of mediocrity and lame leadership that has swept the western world it isn't surprising that everyone followed everyone else like lemmings.

Based on what evidence? One industry that concerns us all on this forum will do a lot better than our equivalent e.g. the racing industry.

The statistics don't confirm that.

Why?

Why?

I think eventually the world will have to let this thing rip. We are going to have more people die from the cure than the disease.

Number infected per million.

At the moment the stats comparison between NZ and OZ have OZ in front by a nose. Surely if we have an Australia/NZ bubble that means we can follow their lead on racing.

A strategy that is increasingly looking like it is driven by political ideology.

You are both as bad as each other.

Guys can we tone it down a bit.