barryb

I will do even better, I will give you all the tempos I am working too for tomorrow at Ruakaka. Race 1 slow/mid Race 2 fast Race 3 slow/mid Race 4 mid Race 5 slow/mid Race 6 fast Race 7 fast Race 8 fast

Absolutely no issues there, I select many VALUE runners every race day, trying to be selective and putting up the biggest and best value is always fraught with risk when your S/R is around 12%. Unlike you I am not obsessed with backing winners, anyone can do that and 99% still lose doing exactly that. My focus is in finding horses significantly above my assessed true chance of them winning & then I spend a significant amount of time ensuring I take the best possible price, for me that is usually on a Saturday between 8:45 and 9:30am as the markets haven't reacted to punters much at this stage, for instance grabbing No Loitering 6 times its starting price, I note its in tomorrow and its been backed in from $21-16 already, it was not a bet for me even at the $21. In that race I don't think I will have a bet, but 2 I will consider is Inanna at $61 & Creative Genius at $15. One I am definately going to back at that meeting is Rocanto $12, I have it rated at $6.50, now thats called backing to value, something you just don't understand. Its the 2nd best horse in the race yet its priced 2nd to outsider, Memories Only is terrible unders and so is Lucyinrio. Now dont get me wrong here, I am not saying they can't win, for me they will be winning at unders, thats the difference between what I do and what you 3 do.

Not at all, Thomass bought all this nonsense to this forum & drove away all the intelligent people, you came along and filled 1% of the void. Its just unfortunate the intelligence didn't rise with you joining.

RIP BOAY.

Please tell us what bias will exist tomorrow at Awapuni & Ruakaka? Before the races tell us what we should look for? sepcifics please. ie: dont back anything drawn inside barrier 8,back nothing carrying 57 and above, these jockeys never ride well at biased tracks, horses with blinkers normally go well here & so on.

Now thats not very nice, its no wonder you got the arse from Race Cafe. The issue is you just don't like to be questioned on silly statements.

Of course it is you clown, value is entirely subjective, the issue is idiots like you and the other 2 are not even looking for it. You are too busy looking for imaginary bias that you can't demonstrate how to take advantage of. The 3 of you don't even have a starting point reference to even begin to look for value, you are forecasting a bias before the day even starts, subjectively removing all inside barriers (wanganui yesterday) because of a tiny subset of data that shows outside draws winning or placing a massive emphasis on something that has a fractional weighting on the outcome. I rest my case.

Its not me who is thick, I am not disputing that a bias exists you dumb prick. I am disputing that its of any worth to a punter other than losers like the 3 of you, I cannot see any possible way to turn it to an advantage and as yet NO ONE here has shown how to either, plenty of looney theories but nothing you could use to advantage, so in my mind I dont look for a bias as other factors are far more important to consider.

No thats not value, thats stupidity what you are suggesting, absolutely nowhere have you mentioned the price in the equation, all those leaders you could be backing could be horrific unders, good luck to you and Thomass as you are clearly going to need it.

The real issue ATA & Thomass (ignore all the smoke screen crap they put up) have yet to show how they use this so called bias information. Pleae just answer the 2 questions below for us. 1) When do you start punting based on the bias? before the meeting even starts or when?. 2) Name the 2 most important factors you use to determine bets when you are factoring in the bias?. No more other bullshit, please just answer the 2 questions.

I have learnt plenty about punting, the key thing you are missing is you make no mention of value. Exactly like the sharemarket when it’s obvious to everyone it’s time to get off rather than jump on, that boat has sailed.

The inevitable has happened I guess, it’s like the living dead here for sure. Leave Pam out though mate, she’s a very hard working good friend of mine.

Nope, nothing that I could use.

Wow, what happened Turny? The guys in there just got bored of reading Thomass shit & other in fighting?

The farkwitometer is going off regarding the above post, is someone able to translate that complete load of bollocks into English.

Does Neil Davis still do the comments for the TAB?

Yet again though ATA, you havent given us anything to work with. When are you going to decide there is a bias? after race 3 or race 7 or when? as up until you decide there is a bias it could just be a statistical anomoly or are you going to just do a Tommy guesswork thing and decide that before the meeting starts there is a bias?. As I said to you I backed No Loitering at $61 first thing, using your theory you would back it possibly 30mins before the race when it was under $15, I know which type of punting ends up better in the long term.

Never said I was, I just accept with racing that what appears obvious and logical is most likely not the case & if more than a few think it then its almost certainly not the case. If any thought matches Tommy's then its time to rethink. Tommy works on probables, hearsay, could be, statement of fact, guesswork, luck etc.

Is it a majority correct thing is it?. 99% lose remember & for the very reasons you are advocating silly non existent bias statements.

Its like fishing with dynamite.

I backed it at $61, so dont need to check anything, The trouble with what you and Thomass keep stating is that they are theoretical and is unable to be put into practice, neither of you have put up any valid way that the information can be used. Its entirely subjective and there has incredibly minor value at best.

Haha, what correlation would field size have to the stat?.

So NO different then to 80% of all races where one of the first 4 turning win, easy then. So a leader like No Loitering that opened at $60s and by the time the sheeple had finished getting on it jumps at $8s, that’s the type you mean then. Barrier draws are obviously important then and so I’m guessing weight must be as well as lighter weighted must run faster surely?.

Still you have told us nothing, very similar to Thomass in that the theory exists but what’s the practice. Please tell us all how knowing this helps you decide what horse is going to be overs and a great bet?.

& please tell us of what use is that knowledge to you? how much weighting do you place on it?, is it one of Thomass wacko formulas that are plucked from his arse and have zero basis of fact or what?. As I have zero idea how to quantify the advantage or disadvantage I can't take it into consideration, & you would have to admit that you have no idea either until about 5 or 6 races have been run and then its still a guess. Thomass will surely pop on here with some nutty formula to educate us.