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Hi Pam. I've been busy. I do plan to comment on several aspects of that meeting when I get a chance. I just need a moment to count up how many horses got eliminated.
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What a field that was. I might have been there that day. Matai Dreamer was a brilliant age group horse but I don't think he went on with it as an older horse, may have had injury problems.
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Some pretty good horses ran second to Locarno.
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Interesting discussion. I was just thinking the other day what a waste it was not having a galloping meeting this coming Sunday. A Timaru meeting in the south would have fitted perfectly. Probably manage 10 races and on an almost firm track. 11 or 12 days between southern meetings and this week's was on the AWT. I would think Entain would be keen to use many more Fridays and Sundays than are currently utilised for the gallops. The only thing I can recall seeing so far is announcements about stakes. What about some action on dates and programming? What an embarrassment Ruakaka is this weekend. All the hype about qualifying races and order of entry etc, and not a single ballot on the entire card, and they had to programme a maiden at the last minute to get 8 races. 7 and 9 starters for $60,000 races. Wait till the new season when we regularly have $50,000 and $40,000 going around with tiny fields. NZTR seem to think decent horses will just miraculously turn up to fill those fields.
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Scotch Tar one of the better known trotters who raced against the pacers. Don't think he won though.
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Update: Kah Charged. Jamie Kah's been baking cakes.
Doomed replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
I always thought she was a nice lady and a very good jockey, but she really can't be all that bright. She certainly mixes with some really dopey looking people. The greyhound trainer looks super thick and the other woman shared the photos with the world so how thick is she? It might be time to consider people having to pass an IQ test to become licensed in the racing industry. -
Sheila Laxon still has it! Knights Choice wins Grp 3 Sunshine Coast.
Doomed replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Pity it didn't run second, I would have had the quinella, flashed home. It has been one of the worst Queensland carnivals I can remember for NZ trained horses, I can hardly remember a win. -
None of those figures are flash, some are just not quite as bad as others. I didn't actually realise things were quite so bad. I suppose on the positive side things are coming off such a low base Entain should be able to hopefully show some improvement. But really, you do wonder what on earth they saw of value in the NZ Racing industry. There have always been people on here saying we must increase stakes. When you see the best we can hope for turnover wise in the winter months is about $40,000 on and $1.4m off, it does make you wonder where on earth that stakes money is coming from. Interestingly enough the Cambridge JC held a low key mid week meeting on 3 July 1991 with on course t/o of $224,416 and off course of $2,029,602. Two races at $10,000, the rest mostly $7,000. These days we expect to fund a raceday with $500,000 in stakes on less turnover than that. You have to marvel at the stakes that are generated off tiny turnovers.
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Stakes Perspective: $35m on offer in one day.
Doomed replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
It seems obvious to me that they expect turnover to boom once the Aussie punters start betting in big numbers on the revitalised NZ racing. -
That's an incredibly intelligent post in the harness section. I must look on here more often.
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This is a subject that has always interested me. Harness Racing's biggest problem is not getting horses through the grades, and yet they love running penalty free races as much as possible. There are endless maidens and low grade races in the South, but programme a race equivalent to the old 5+ wins and you are lucky to get 7 starters. I have no idea where all the winners of lower grade horses go. I don't believe the harness rating system works. I can never follow it (admittedly I don't try very hard) but I can easily follow the galloping system. Also, this idea of having a higher stake for maiden races than for winners is just totally beyond me. It seems to take the socialist approach to extremes.
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Wanted: Panelbeater - King Charles drops trophy!
Doomed replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
It was certainly an impressive win. Would have been very unlucky if it hadn't got up. -
The commentator was very keen on the horse last time and thought he was very unlucky.
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It has been introduced as NZTR gets flak for putting industry money into the two karaka million races. I suspect they are going to boost several high profile races to $1m, or more, in which case the karaka millions would no longer stand out. As they can't pour more money into the Karaka races, as much as they would love to, they have decided to introduce a brand new race on the day to boost the profile of the day, which all sales graduates will be eligible for, and it won't cost the breeders a cent.
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Potentially 29 Horse's ridden by Pinn to be Disqualified
Doomed replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Talk about a can of worms there. It is hardly the connections fault, or the jockey's, although I know nothing about the specifics of the case. I imagine there will be some pretty well connected connections involved. Could be massive liabilities if they try to disqualify those horses. There was a lot of publicity about his claim and how well he was going, so I imagine Racing Victoria was most at fault for not picking it up much earlier. I don't recall any exact precedents. -
Does it matter if a race is a group 1 anymore? The money is more important than the group status. You will note that Tokyo Tycoon isn't going to the 2,000 Guineas this year, he is being kept for the Karaka million. Money is more important than status for a gelding. The interesting thing will be if they increase the Guineas stake significantly, perhaps even to $1m. Will Te Akau then change their mind? It reminds one of the joke where a man asks a lady if she would sleep with him for a million dollars. She replies possibly. So he says would she sleep with him for $100. "Of course not, what sort of lady do you think I am?" To which the man replies, "we have already determined what sort of lady you are, we are just haggling over price."
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They have given up on winter racing, no glamour. They just want to get through it as quickly and cheaply as possible.
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I saw that myself. I might just be slow and I'm missing something, but I don't follow the bit about can't be transferred from a top 10 trainer after 31 Oct, and the bit about any horse transferred after 1 August will be ineligible. Surely the latter requirement makes the first bit redundant? Perhaps I am missing something.
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I remember Winston's races very clearly. At the time I thought they were a waste of money, others thought they were a great idea. They came and they went and they achieved zero for the industry.
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I largely agree with you Huey, but the new $1m 4yo race isn't a sale race. It is open to any 4yo. It does seem strange on a sweepstake card, which makes me wonder whether NZTR plan to put more industry money into the sweepstakes to make them stand out. It would seem unlikely, but nothing they do surprises me. And will the 4yo race get group status for its first running.
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It will be interesting how they allocate the three $100,000 AWT races. Sounds like each track will get a race each. I presume the mile to Riccarton, sprint at Awapuni and stayers race at Cambridge.
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A good ride too, very good judge of pace. I'm sure the hot fav thought he had him covered with about 350 to go.
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The rest of the country has put plenty of money into Ellerslie over the years.
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Timaru is also a racecourse reserve. So ironically the industry won't get any money at all from most of the tracks they want to shut down. Hokitika of course was freehold, but the industry didn't get anything from that either. So the overall plan hasn't worked out all that well so far.