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True in the case of PH who drew one and was able to get off the rail with its pace....and was 10 widths out round the home bend.. However Punters were sold a pup by the 'experts' when told the rail...and backing inside barriers and trail horses was just fine.. ...when it wasn't... Pitman and FORMPRO think they should be...Why take 30 readings around the course and then hide them from the public? Any information like this helps the punter... perceived or otherwise Surely it's up to them to then decide what to do with them? Yesterday the reading was downgraded retro to the first...on a fine day...wtf? Punters should have had those readings which would have shown an 'on the cusp' reading of Heavy..and those readings would have shown the rail was just fine...which it was

Pretty simple isn't it? You know the rails off...outside barriers are what you want... Drawing inside...such as Wanganui...death trap Publishing them..lazy Jockeys then know Kelly née Myers does the stick thing...NZTR employee Noel Harris does it... He told Jazz Fawcett the fast lane at Puke a month back... Post race interview..." I knew where the fast lane was and I used it" Perhaps you could get your own niche...watch what pro Jockeys walk the track then get on best

And the JCA panel of Dooley and Scott just about had an apoplectic attack when they viewed the video nasty... And of course under the new 'improved' vicious guidelines...where "suspensions must be meaningful"... ...they just ignore the fact this boy only rides in the North..and got 7 measly days... ...wet bus ticket stuff... ...read and weep again at how hopeless our Feds are... "It is clear when reviewing the video films that this is the worst breach that the Committee has ever witnessed under this Rule. The manner in which Mr Chowdhoory used his whip 37 times in the final straight is appalling and a terrible look for the racing industry. The significant aggravating factors are, the offending is inexcusable, grossly unacceptable and raises alarming animal welfare and public concerns. The punishing force and quantity of strikes applied to EGO PRINCESS is unprecedented and deemed as absolute high end. In addition the Committee determined that the gravity of the breach and the culpability of Mr Chowdhoory is high end. It is extremely important that a penalty has the effect of deterring riders from committing similar offences. The Committee observed that Mr Chowdhoory was using the whip with his arm above shoulder height which is deemed to be unacceptable under the whip Guidelines."

Oh dear... And you wonder why the Kiwi punter has disappeared from the stands....cant even get some poor f'er holding your hand at the chippy stand... ...let alone GAMBLE on NZ racing...because that's what it is Meantime Arstralian Punters have the exact pen. Reading...change of tactic notifications et el... You probably don't adjust your bet if a neddy's just had a wind operation... ...or got caught in the very slow Whanganui rail on Saturday.. You and roddy bet by rote though don't you?? So you certainly wouldn't adjust your bet if historical PDF formlines shows at a glance that a neddy can't handle a HOLDING track...

Was that you who texted Dezzy yesterday Huey? Asking about the WILDFLOWER cobalt positive? ...Godber telling us..."it's with the JCA...it'll be heard sometime soon" Haha...before Xmas?

Oh yep So you don't agree, Punters should have known before the first, that the rail was off?

So what what?? It was a good winter track...SOFT... 6 M of fresh ground and "the rails the place to be"...Tan and Rodley... ...those who want to bet...e.g. They have a horse racing...who knew that happens? And genuine Kiwi Thoroughbred Punters wanting to bet...instead of the Harness horror show of endless short favourites... NZ Punters deserve and should expect ACCURATE information shouldn't they? Not the b/s they're getting...

As I thought...you're CLUELESS...again Of course...you said there was "nothing wrong with the Eagle Farm track"...didnt you? If you think a Jockey...drawn one on the flat side...is going to pull back and over to the Grandstand side....when 6 other horses on his outer are dictating his every move... ...you have no idea...again The only thing you got correct is that Punters won't bet if they don't have the correct information... ...and early Whanganui bettors got sold a pup when told the fresh 6M would be the place to be..."probably all day"...and it wasn't from the get go... When a simple straight penetrometer reading across the width, would have told them something entirely different... ...or a Senior Jockey/Noel Harris track report...telling Punters where they think the fast lane will possibly be... Instead of a guessing game

So Simon says..George....back in February... ...after Trudi well and truley broke the RULES OK...in a G 2 race...winning by a nose Yet no inquiry into the result...because it's not in the RULES OK.?? Protests aren't allowed...WTF? Now we have the case of Apprentice CHOWDHOORY...winning a race by 3/4L on Monday Unmercifully thrashing his mount 37 times in the final straight....22 times before the final 100m..with a brief 3 stride semi- merciful break...the rules...5 times with a 5 stride break... Of course no protest allowed...even though the runner up stuck to the rules Another FARCE then..... But not only that...this is a very bad look for racing...if the media get hold of this the public backlash will be severe... Especially so when they find CHOWDHOORY will only spend 7 REAL days on the sideline...in his area...again...FARCICAL Of course the RIU's Godber brushed it under the carpet on the Wednesday interview when he said... "no nothing unusual this week Dezzy...the whip rule found less Jockeys getting charged" FFS... Read and weep for the sport and the bad publicity that will follow...the industry needs to act now and change the rule...and with more severe punishments "Mr Coles demonstrated the incident using the available video footage. He identified Mr Chowdhoory racing near the lead and showed that he struck his mount 22 times from the 400 metres to the 100 metres. He said that Mr Chowdhoory used his whip a further 15 times in the last 100 metres which meant he used his whip 37 times in the final straight. He said that the only respite was for 3 strides. Mr Chowdhoory accepted the number of strikes that were counted out aloud by the Stewards. He was unable to offer any explanation to the Committee for the excessive and unacceptable manner in which he used his whip. Mr Harris said he couldn’t believe the way Mr Chowdhoory used the whip in the final straight. He said that he had spoken to Mr Chowdhoory before the race and advised him that 2 taps would be sufficient to keep his mount going. In conclusion he stated that he threw his hands up because he doesn’t know where the riding display came from. In answer to a question from the Committee, Mr Williamson and Mr Harris assured us that Mr Chowdhoory was fully aware of the Guidelines with respect to acceptable use of the whip."

The readings are taken at 1.5, 3 and 4.5M at the moment...at 100M sections up the straight...further around other parts ...so obviously those horses racing at 6M plus on Saturday were racing on something that's wasn't accurately portrayed... Id suggest every 3/4M across the width which would add another 8-10 readings in the straight... ..it would take the poor trackman another 10 minutes to do... ...but spades more information for the currently mushroomed punter...

The poor wee buggas today... 5C with a wind chill factor of 3 frozen packets of peas down the y fronts and /or panty region... The Feds should take pitty and provide mulled wine after each race and sod the inebriation test... They'll all be wishing they had the full 'Cammo'...on down the neck as well...and kept their nasal and ear hair untrimmed... Why cultivate it when it grows wild around the ass region they say... ...today's your answer

Ok let me help you...because I feel for you and my empathy has grown since you self banned yourself from Chat Assuming the track is even across the width and we're racing in lanes.. Just like the straight six at Flem... And where they provide a reading across the width...both rail and outside...thanks What if they didn't like here? ...and find post race the rail is 3L slower...if we'd known that before the race... ...would you say the 'overs' horse was still value and ignored the reading...or would you have adjusted your investment accordingly?? Answers on the back of a postage stamp...

Oh f...did they lower themselves already?? Actually the awful chariots will suit these boys... They love the 'shorts' and there's plenty of boring shorts in this so called sport... This after a trip to Rosehill and all they've got to offer in the way of absolutely superb punting information.. ...Kemeys was blown away by it...I'm surprised he's not already living there actually Arstralia really is the true place for a young person to experience life and to grow..

Wtf...speaking of pain in the asses... You haven't improved your cop the f on at all have you? I'll repeat this verrrry slowly...and only say it once...nes pa? If a punter thinks they've got overs...and the experts and oneself assume the 'fresh ground is the go...and the neddy's drawn perfectly and ticks all one's boxes for value...and it's part of your 'niche' strategy for success and riches... ...but turns out the rail is a death trap and slower down there... ...then it's not overs is it?? You're right...Simple az

There's no doubt punting on our winter tracks is largely a guessing game... You can pretty much rely on a track like Avondale at the moment though.. They raced on a fresh strip of 6 M on Monday...and that was the place to be all day At the previous meeting they were coming down the outside..like the old days The suits destroy Punters confidence however.. ...when Whanganui races on 6M of fresh ground....wont publish the entire straight readings and across the width...not to just the 4M which we get at present...doh ...and expect Punters to know the 6M is off from the get go...even though Trackside 'experts' like Tan and Rodley have rightly assumed the rail should be the place to be...and inside draws...but it sure as hell ain't ...does nothing to encourage punting here... Its all about punter confidence in the product... ...and investing on a runner with an inside draw when the rail's off is definitely not overs...which we would have known if the readings across the width of the straight were delivered to Punters

Yep, although Te Rapa sand blasting, by very average management, v the mighty USA who spend big dosh to to avoid such

So 6 1/2 months since the 3 Meth positives and the hopeless JCA still haven't heard these cases... The problem appears to be the other 2 codes clogging up the system with sheet behaviour... Justice delayed is justice denied yep...these horses still have their rating points intact what a joke

No it's pretty easy actually... Just get on horses who race handy while others get sandy grit kicked in their faces... If battle hardened neddys like Sea King are spluttering imagine what a first starter thinks of the racing game...

I understand you're clueless when it comes to the nuances of Kiwi racing let alone cop the f on... ...numerous industry stakeholders have come out in support of increased track information...so I'm not the only pain in the ass to the ignorant suits...who don't seriously punt.. Pitman, Dillon, FORMPRO, Sweeney, Coppins have all publicly criticised the lack of track transparency...from the old HOLDING description to giving Punters readings the track manager has just taken...to H 11 covering everything from 11 to 20... ...and like the Whanganui track showing the inside to be off within the 'fresh' ground of 6 M... But apparently tusitalas like yourself don't need to spot early overs on the early book...you're going to wait until they start racing

Good on you for finding your niche tusitala... ...and you agree Punters should have this information... ...so nothing more needs to be said

You've got a lot to learn Bazza...were not talking about 'countrycuzzie' lovemaking here... ...it's about sophisticated stuff that us city boys have perfected... ...I can send the Princess into hysteria by just looking at her...nothing about touch.. ...when it comes to that time though you country racing bumpkins would no doubt be easily influenced by the 'La Mer' title of the Estée Lauder moisturiser at 520 Bucks...thanks very much...they saw or smelt you coming.. ...made from dirty stinking kelp and naturally trod down with the sweat of 7 day old Shepard's socks... ...when a simple chia seed butter and quince mash with a dash of Whale vomit at 13.99 works just fine... ...so I've got more to spend on classy inebriation... while you're dishing out dirty Wakatoo stinking swamp water... Were supping on RSV 2012 Port in a spa up on a penthouse...overlooking the greatest liveable city in the World...

It's about being professional I guess... ...the Apprentices get the free advice of Noel Harris...a good example Jazz Fawcett walked the Puke track and "found the fast lane" Now NZTR employ Harris...just get his report each day and insert it on the NZTR website as part of the track description for the day ...how easy is that?? Part of the problem is inconsistent surfaces...some readings could be quite different to other sections... ...if they're taking readings at the Max. width of 4M....when they're using the 6M and further out strip ...just how inccurate are the 'official' descriptions then? Yes the likes of HB gallop horses on race morning to get the official description more accurate...but that doesn't get reported Its a total lack of punting transparency that's the major concern...

So Bazz I should have mentioned that was the meeting before... ...this meeting the Jocks went through 2 sets of goggles and got sand blasted after that... Youd think they would have done some remedial work to either remove some sand...or fix the f in problem after so many complaints?? ...they knew the problem was worse further out and onto the crown of the track... ...so wtf did they do?? 12 Metered the f'er...clueless

So Juliette gets the win next start at the astonishing opening odds of 3.7! Maybe double up to pay poor starter McAra's 2 Hundy fine then... The club may even invest in another ladder...if that was the problem...according to the RIU it contributed to Romeo nearly falling flat on his face...or even on his back! H and S would have investigated and ACC would have instigated a crisis meeting as to what constitutes a safe starting ladder... Maybe they don't have the Mitre 10 special down there yet...2 for the price of one... ...and the extra safety platform for starters with 2 left feet and an extra pinky on the left hand?

Rod Hill!! Thought we'd got Rid? Anyway...the answer is a big fat NO Pitty wrote an article in the Informant about the need to produce these readings for the punter...and he's right of course.. If Punters see Jockeys using their own 'sticks' to find the best ground... ...it goes without saying PUNTERS should have the same information doesn't it? You know, the the poor long suffering f'ers who keep the game going..