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Outstanding post TC.... As you say it's only a matter of ticking an on line box these days... ...wtf...disseminating vital information like weight is as easy as ticking a box? who knew? Not Mardi grass....he thinks that dissemination costs huge amounts for some strange reason Perhaps his like are living in the past? Or his selecting 'niche' is alogrithmic...a bunch of stats all thrown in and zero knowledge of NZ nuances...like a fat neddy in need of a run

Forget about the horses... Its Meghan time!! Lets hope Meg gets hooked into the 'disease' and maybe by the time Her Royal Hotness gets to NZ in October...6 months up the duff... ..Te Arkow can donate a share to HRH and Hazza...and get her along to a country meeting at TE TEKO...and mix with the Polloi...oarsum opp https://mobile.twitter.com/Ascot/status/1009063975902904320/video/1

That filly needs a touch more ground alright D.. ...there's plenty out the back of Widden Valley... Have you whispered in her ear about her royal family?

Is that a Girl or a boy D? Messara still training fgs? He's got far too much time on his hands if he's still doing that to keep busy. Arrowfield Stud Guy is a pretty big job.... Its showing 3's...whoopee You're not chasing your money on 3 shots are you D?

Lets not go down the fiddle sticks root bazza... This thread should be a genuine attempt to help other Punters through their greatest torment in life...other than keeping the princess happy...picking winners at value... Mind You the winner of the first at TA had side winkers on first time...and it appeared to help it turn its form around...immensely ..straight to the front and too scared to look behind to see the scary monster coming at it... oh and BO first up is pretty good too...added 30% to Tileys horse in the last a week back...goes well fresh, form in superior fields, BO first up... ...always an indicator they're serious first up...give you that 'niche'

I've always reiterated that I trust the trainer on gear changes...on a neddy I've sorted out... ..I may even reduce investments on a neddy who's now racing in ear covers or bandages... If you call superior form in a better class of race back to inferior neddys...stats Thats your problem...I call it superior obvious form analysis

Obviously if the rails off..,as Gibbs told us... ...it allows back runners a far greater chance of finishing over the top out wider...as many did... ...you complained about the fierce usual bias there...but it wasn't in play last week ...and it didn't have much to do with bunnies going nuts in front either... Did the Trackman alter his usual preparation with the constant complaints of leaders bias?

Not the discussion B... You poo poo'd my method of selecting winners and that yours and Woddys 'niches' were far superior... ...please correct the assumption if I'm wong?

You appeared piqued that I'd trusted both the trainer...and that TT's have such a good ROI... Having sorted a superior needy out, imho, what's wrong with trusting the trainer an even greater performance is possible taking into account both the superior trainer and the knowledge TT's improve performances on most neddys compared with the control group?

Btw Bazza... Did you hear Chris Gibbs say " I think the rail was playing differently than usual....further out appeared to be the place" And you were complaining about the rail and on speed bias...were you pissed? If we'd had the pen. readings across the width...even to the 10M mark... ...we'd have known before the first where the fast lane was ...and it wasn't the rail... ..who knew...not you

Yes of course..especially as good a trainer as Jimmy.. I analysed its superior form in superior full fields on Premier days...good enough to journey to Australia and show form on unsuitable hard tracks... ..then trusted Jimmy this neddy needed a TT to perform at its best...plus 20% Read this from Kentucky Equine Research...you may even alter your bets on a maiden neddy you've signalled out as superior and with value... ...or you may simply learn something for a change.. "For group 1, exposed horses were 1.85 times more likely than unexposed horses to have improved earnings in their next three races after the date when a tongue tie was first used. For group 2, exposed horses were 3.6 times more likely than matched unexposed horses to have improved earnings in their next three races after the date when a tongue tie was first used. For group 3, exposed horses were 4.24 times more likely than matched unexposed horses to have improved earnings in their next three races after the date when a tongue tie was used, and 5.05 times more likely than matched unexposed horses to have improved earnings in their next five races after the date when a tongue tie was used."

Good on you big D for finding your niche in life... I went through Tamworth once...and Tamworth went through me...after I indulged in a pint of Dr Jurds Jungle Juice...f moi Never been the same sunce... Ive 'loved' a lot of nice fillies meself over the years as well D... ...and the pay back...if I had a dollar for every particle of sand kicked in the moose as a result..I'd be rich az Lets hope this Tammy Tip doesn't do to you what I did to those fillies then D

You're wrong BF The Stipes know that ALL FALLERS are required to be vet checked... The rules required the horse to be DQ'd and the jockey should have been admonished for continuing...and the CLERK of the course quizzed up on the RULES Following the race...change the rules if they want " if a horse FALLS and the jockey has been unseated..but slides alongside...and keeps the reins in hand...and there's no blood and the horse 'feels ok' after a Hundy further...and there's no broken bones...continue on for World famous status...even though this is against the INTERNATIONAL rule...ok" that

Oh dear....acting Cheief Stipe Williamson was on yesterday trying to explain the indefensible... " Goodwin told me the action(of falling) was 'one fluid action' and the jockey had his hands on the reins" No Willie...the neddy FELL...all four hooves were pointing in the AIR...the jockey was unseated sliding alongside the FALLEN neddy... ...the horse could have been injured in the process of FALLING... ...that's the purpose of having the INTERNATIONAL rule...to stop FALLERS and injured Jockeys continuing on while injured... You can't have a rule that says " since the FALLER continued on and won...it obviously wasn't injured...and the jockey held the reins" no no no...that's a country bumpkin rule...which we used to have It turns out the conversation Kuru could be seen having with the Clerk went like this " can I keep going" " yea go for it" The Clerks need to be quizzed up on the....RULES OK " no you fell...you're a gonnnner...pull up...you've had your chance and you FELL" ..should have been the narrative

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/now-mcdonald-has-great-chance-scaling-new-height/

Steady boys..this has been done to death already Every Thoroughbred 'investor' has their own 'niches' Woddy goes for the algorithm niche...puts a bunch of stats in his PC program and ignores things like Visors...which he thought were sunnies for neddys...and "there's nothing wrong with the Eagle Farm track" Bazza goes for the Baker/Forsman Waterhouse idea of keeping their neddys on the pace and ready to strike...i.e. Fit f'ers...fair enough...and good on you Bazza...going to every meeting where you can view the stock as well as sell your Chippies to the hoi polloi... Bazza has previously said "I ignore weight" then comes out in another thread and says "and the 4kg claimer is great" He tipped Kyrie and didn't bother factoring in the Blinkers back on which the trainer told us yesterday "she needs badly".. after a shocking first upper without them Gibb's Daddy and a whole heap of Trainers before him...Lance's Daddy..used to take Blinkers off first up...for excellent results...on some, like Kyrie, it doesn't work... Largely my niche is form in a better class of field...back to inferior neddys...Shilllings for Jillings and his mates cliched it..."keep your horses in inferior company and yourself in superior company" And of course fit horses on bad tracks at this time of year....you know horses who can back up and take the work then enjoy the punishment... As an example I was on BLUETWENTYTWO at Te Teko ...superior form in full Premier day fields...back to midweek...then good form in Aus on unsuitable tracks...back here first up with 3 kgs off after a good trial....then I trusted trainer Collett with the TOngue Tie on first up...an extra 20% on the investment for that At 13's well overs... Woddy can't work form out here in NZ...stick to your Niche in country areas of Aus then Wod... ...leave real form analysis to the locals who have superior knowledge of local conditions and nuances here in NZ

And the Keewoi's are in action! The Vella Fella's neddy is there and so to Davo's! ...and Jammy Maks back! Will the Toffs shun him for being a rogue and vagabond or will they take him into their bosoms...cos they've been there too? Will they be wearing the classic antique silk toppy or the 'sweat like a pig smell like a jockstrap' felt f'er? Who knows, just as long as the laydies are comfortable going commando and wearing silk off the shoulder numbers... https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/now-mcdonald-has-great-chance-scaling-new-height/

Of course the 'classy' Auckland Jocks like Leafal have progressed to the 'classy' stuble It's been scientifically proven that Women around the World find this hair type... HOT AZ...the hard prickly nature of said stubble sends the entire body of a Woman into meltdown.. ...don't want to keep repeating..but it deserves doing so in case other hot Men such as moi...don't know about the key to a woman's door...when it won't open easily... Why spend 5 Hundy on an over priced meal and French Vino when a quick arvo stubble growth does the trick?

Good observation Jess... The old rule even allowed for wannabe tally ho's members of the public to jump the fence and just get on... Cammo changed it around 8 years ago and it was Re-written 5 years ago... Nothing could be clearer...the horse took off...screwed mid air...landed awkwardly and... FELL on landing There appears to be a whole lot of romantics out there prepared to ignore THE RULES...ok A rules a rules a rule...where the 'romantic' Stipes dreamed up the jockey "had contact" rubbish from...wtf knows?? Its an INTERNATIONAL rule ffs... ...he immediately should have pulled up after FALLING... ...like it or not You can't have "however after falling and the jockey falls out of the saddle and slides nicely alongside...but held the reins...and goes onto win to become a World wide hero" ..."then that's ok" thats b/s... But the CD Stipes like making or ignoring the RULES... After last years Trentham debacle, where the starter allowed an attendant to stand in front of the entire field...and the subsequent mee lee of Riders getting jettisoned... ..and not ask one question of the Starter...after he broke the RULES ffs, NZ looks like a country back water when this type of thing happens FELL...look up the definition in the Equestrian Handbook one day...

Yes Jess that was a few years ago now though.. ...you may remember during the reign of Cammo George, there was bedlam one day when Jocks were re-mounting all over the place... ...he changed the rule after that...and coincidentally the rest of the jumping World already had the current rule in place... Obviously in the good olde days of anything goes and tally ho... There were injured horses being re- mounted...and of course injured concussed Jocks.. Now every man and his dog knows that horse FELL... The Stipes took the flat rule of contact close to the winning post in this case... ...and ignored the Jumping Rule of "falls must be Veterinary checked...and Jocks passed by Docs" It spoils a great story...but you simply can't have rules for one instance and glory...and not the other

Sensational athleticism from Kuru...previously a potential NZ Softball player I've heard ?? Dont want to put a dampener on things sensational.. but ...if we're following the rules...and rules rule ok?? This horse should have been scratched.... Lets face it..the horse FELL...all fours were sideways as they were skidding along the ground...Kuru came totally off and slid alongside... ...besides...the horse FELL...did I say the horse FELL?? The Stipes investigated....and then came up with a totally new rule about the ajo (c) if a horse and/or Rider falls or gets away from its Rider after a race has started [Amended 1 June 2013]: (i) that horse shall take no further part in the race unless: (A) the Rider has been examined by a Racecourse Medical Officer, and (B) the horse has been examined by a Veterinary Surgeon; and (ii) provided that both the Rider and the horse are passed fit to race, that horse may be remounted and the Rider shall ride to either [Amended 1 June 2013]: (A) behind the place where the fall occurred or where the horse got away from its Rider, or, (B) if the horse missed a jump prior to such fall or where the horse got away from its Rider, a place from which the horse can approach and negotiate that jump

Wtf were you watching Bazza?? As weasel says they were coming from all over the place...NOT USUAL HEART in a sensational performance from 2nd last on the turn as well... The track played differently to the usual procession though Maybe they've fixed the bias by watering the rail or something?? If we'd had the entire width pen. Readings we'd have been able to see if the 6M mark, where many were winning, was the place to be... ...before the first race ffs

Top effort with Kyrie Bazza... Youd have no doubt included her when you saw the Blinkers On note... The stable tried to pull one over the usually blind Stipes by applying Visors...but were promptly told to wack on the full Blinkers...which they asked for... Would she have won by more with the Visors on or not at all? Probably more...because the trainer would have got her there in the best possible position to win according to you and your mate... But he clean forgot to inform the Bureau...and got a wet slap on the hand...ouch

Of course it makes a difference...on a neddy I've rated to invest on Ive trusted the trainer that a TT is value added...even an extra 0.1L makes a difference...you don't trust them..that's as clear as day I add less for TT's than BO.. that's how I've rated them over years of experience....each to their own This has been done to death...you have no understanding of the subject You think it's ok for Australian Punters to have this transparency but not us...idiot You obviously believe in Insider Trading on the share market.. ...and that's criminal...criminal

Ok, so you're the type who looks a gift horse in the mouth... Northern Dancer was on the go fast..you knew it...and sat there like a stunned mullet...fool Youve repeatedly said you "trust the trainer to get the horse to race in the best possible shape" But you don't trust them enough that a top rating value horse will concentrate any more than before and get a length or two extra...after the trainer has tried gear changes in training... Australian Punters receive this type information ..operations, change of tactics... Its surely about TRANSPARENCY...i.e. insider trading knowledge... ..and Punters can do with that whatever they like... you're an algorithm punter....Stick to that format guy ...but don't tell others they don't want to know an investment has had wind problems... ...or they're going to ride it upside down to make it settle for it's next race... Thats why the NZ Thoroughbred punter is becoming today's sports punter...where every stat is available...