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I relplied to Moon who chose to ask something non related to the thread... I could have ignored him but that'd be rude...the thread would have gone happily onwards discussing said topic...until you stuck your oar... Aint you got other stuff to do like help Sloiman get re elected rather than troll moi? MANY posters have problems with your site...ask Freda...any number of threads repeat themselves...I can't even enter my name when logging in...only the email entry works... BTW personal attacks by moi are ONLY returned..never started "low life scum" and you thought that was just fine Get a grip

Yes, I think it's called EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE... "HK horses race just fine without LASIX, in fact longer careers than the US" And one would think with HK's confined horse status the problem would be greater than jurisdictions like Australasia... We don't need it and Waller certainly doesn't need to give WINX like horses anymore... I wonder why they're struggling to get her in foal? As for Germany...Everyone knows there's 'degrees' of....but they certainly won't breed from the worst sufferers...EPISTAXIS... ...or breed from Horses having raced with drugs in their system...

Destroy another thread why don't you? I TRIED to get the MB thread back on track....added another pick of PRECEDENCE... Im busting my ass for this site..and all you do is close threads down... Wheres the SOH coming through here...granted I'm not everyone's cuppa... ...but there is ZERO fun... Go on tell us a joke or have some FUN somehow...and not at moi's expense thanks...can't wait

Channeling piece lurve and understanding today mooner... Had a sesh on the black sand beach then a rough up in some rolling thunder surf.. ...caught an A frame...did an aerial...before a backdoor then came across a Barney...who I sent packing... ...so chilled az me brother...you? What about branding...you into that? Im picking you'd have a Tiger inked on your behind...or tucked away somewhere?

So RIU's GOBDER seemed to be relaxing their attitude to protests being allowed when breaking the new Whip rule wrt protesting...a few weeks back...a real difference... MAGNUM got up on the line as well..after Opee broke the 'consequtive' strike rule not once but 3 times... Surely that's unfair on the runner up who was abiding by the new rules?? Its bound to happen in a G 1 this season as well...after all both 1/2 Riders in the Telegraph broke the old rule this year...

Agree koppa...he Hi -Jacks EVERY thread with his nonsense... ...anyway looks like he's gonnnne...rest easy sonny

Let's face it...the Freeze brand is an awful eyesore on our beautiful Thoroughbreds.... So a weanling not only has to go through this painful procedure but then has his dear Mum taken off them... Theres absolutely no need for this anymore...modern tech has ruled this procedure totally out anyway... Of course the Studs love it....free advertising for their 'Brand' and all the glory when winning... ...plus the free photo on right hand tracks... Just get rid of this awful eyesore on our beautiful animals...

This is about ALAALUUNE you loon... ...now bugger off

Oh my...are you STILL here? If REDZEL's trainer says "this horse NEEDS BLINKERS"...he needs Blinkers... Hes the PROFESSIONAL HORSEMAN... You picked up Haysey's Training partners horse poo one day after it unloaded on your foot before floating.... That must have been EMBARRASSING, as indeed your dissertations on ANYTHHING to do with Market %'s and/or HORSEMANSHIP is... In fact your LITANY of LUNACY re Neddy's now stretches into the stratosphere Rocketboy

WTF...you're as CLULESS on this as you are on advising REDZEL's trainer he's WRONG! She COVERED EXTRA GROUND, requiring extra COMPENSATORY TIME CONSIDERATIONS.. Dan O'Sullivan recognises this fact... ...in fact ANYONE that has a f in CLUE does...except YOU....

Great turnaround this...from a constant MEL Cup runner..3 times top 10.... ...Now Champion Show Horse...

Melody Belle back in her paddock tonight with The Shark... ...he doesn't recognise her without the Blinkers obviously

She ran at least 0.35 secs FASTER than her previous Blinkerless head... ....You and your sister clueless curious haven't got the faintest idea about Compensatory Considerations when it comes to FORM ANALYSIS...so GIVE UP even trying.. "prove BO makes them go faster" is already transcribed on your combined love nest tombstone Crypts

Get your fickled finger off the freaken trigger ffs... ...you're here to provide a vehicle for the ENTERTAINMENT and ENJOYMENT of the superior Thoroughbred fraternity... ...not run it as a Frat house for your Knat mates.... ...a humourless dungeon of doom and gloom.... #wakeup

STOP locking threads you LUNATIC....

Cant you read waterBoy?? "I'm betting the left it's WATER" Thats me predicting....."WATER" Imagine if ALL trainers were syringing with "WATER" Its a WORLD WIDE rule....INTEGRITY doesn't do "bullshit" ok?

Hilarious stuff.... So obviously we ALL know she's gone FASTER since they went on.... And again OBVIOUSLY... that's moi's raisin de tear with BLINKERS.... A neddy already proven to have SUPERIOR form wouldnt be inserting BO without Trainer/Jockey thinking even more improvement is forthcoming.... It's PUNTING INTUITION 101 Kindergarten stuff... Keep sucking on the dummy but time to start toilet training 101

Yep ever since the BLINKERS WENT ON LOIRE ....she's gone faster than EVER Theyve been the making of her... Of course you'd have to include her being caught 3 wide the first time in Blinkers to COMPENSATE her CORRECT time.... Something which you CANT fathom... ... due to the thickness of whatever grey matter you may have

Just as well WILLO got his money out before they have to sell up!! Phoenix Thoroughbreds boss in rort allegations The syndicator of Group I winner Loving Gaby is embroiled in a money-laundering case in the US. Photo: Darryl Sherer Article Author Racenet10:48AM25 November 2019 1 Comments The syndicator of Group I Manikato Stakes winner Loving Gaby faces allegations of setting up the Phoenix Thoroughbreds organisation with stolen money. Phoenix Thoroughbreds founder Amer Abdulaziz Salman was accused in a US court of stealing €100 million in an international cryptocurrency fraud. The Racing Post reported the co-founder of fraudulent crypto-currency OneCoin, Konstantin Ignatov, made the accusation under oath during a trial of US lawyer Mark Scott. Scott was found guilty last week of fraud and laundering more than $US400m for OneCoin founders. Ignatov, who pleaded guilty to his part in the huge scam, co-operated with US authorities, telling them Abdulaziz was one of the organisation’s money-launderers. Ignatov alleged Abdulaziz stole from the operation, which has been likened to a Ponzi scheme, while laundering profits for the rort’s other co-founder Dr Ruja Ignatova. The Racing Post alleges it has seen transcripts of an interview between Scott and FBI agents in which he claimed Phoenix, also a Dubai-based investment fund, was sent $190m. Abdulaziz had publicly said in the past that he created Phoenix Thoroughbreds to provide investors with sustainable return realised through acquisition and breeding of top-quality thoroughbreds". Phoenix Thoroughbreds has grown quickly to own about 300 horses, including breeding stock, with 27 trainers on five continents. While Loving Gaby carries Phoenix Thoroughbreds’ white and orange colours, the operation has a share in Group I Coolmore Stud Stakes winner Exceedance and the handy sprinter Tavisan in Australia. Phoenix Thoroughbreds also raced the triple European Group I winner Advertise as well as Dubai World Cup runner-up Gronkowski.

We know already... Girl Friday curious inserts a whole lotta love stats into your data entry point...stirs it around...spits it out ...then you arb the shit out of it....including 10 selections in the Cup... ...where you didn't even mention the winner......"not to mention".... ....even though you claimed to have made "heaps" And then you claimed LOIRE....afterwards.... ...and treated her last start the same as NOT having a heart event.... Out of form v a VERY good excuse... Even Magoo flukes transiting a tram without being crushed... And even Magoo tries to open his eyes....

So the BLINKERS went back on N this week... THE GONG.... Outside the leader, then the bell end toll tolled and dropped out to midfield.... Sometimes you just can't beat go slow Preggy hormones...even with Blinkers!

FIRST UP...Definitely should have been when reading the Whip Rules....ok...on MAGNUM... Gets up by a nose hair...breaks the 5 limit by 3...and also the 'Consequtive' stride rule of NO before the 100M Fragrantly broke it 3 TIMES FFS!! The consequtive stride Whip action most definitely gets momentum up sooner rather than later under the new rules....and let's face it... The limp wristed Stipes have been totally IGNORING this...issuing wet bus ticket warnings...pfffft And then poor Opee got pinged for spitting the dummy in the 2yo Stakes Race.... Couldnt get a run after Danny Elle...pocketed him in the entire straight... Tried for a few strides then gave up in a fit of pique...3 before the line... Lost 3rd by a nose... Out cleaning Ems windows and re arranging her smalls draw for 3 weeks.... Enjoy... ...the punters certainly didn't

Where are you boys...pretty much accepted the inevitable of no WINX like admin? Heres a HK study that should put yous fellas well and truely to bed... HK doesn't need it...we don't need it.... Bleeding Bucks?: Hong Kong EIPH Study Results Released Back to: Shared Content Archive Horses based in Hong Kong that experience exercise induced pulmonary hemorrhaging (EIPH) raced just as long as their non-bleeding contemporaries without the addition of furosemide, commonly known as Lasix, according to a study published Friday by researchers from the Maxwell H. Gluck Equine Research Center. These findings resulted from one of the first reports using epidemiologic analysis of longitudinal data regarding the Thoroughbred racehorse. Dr. Stephanie A. Preston, MS, PhD, of the Equine Soundness and Sports Medicine Program of the Maxwell H. Gluck Equine Research Center at the University of Kentucky and one of the paper’s co-authors said, “The first thing that is very important is the epidemiologic analysis of longitudinal data. The longitudinal component means that we are analyzing data throughout the career of the horse. We don’t have access to that kind of information in the United States which is why I went to Hong Kong.” She said, “What I think is most important over all about this finding is that the health status of a Thoroughbred racehorse is not a static moment in time. It can’t be measured as such. You can’t simply scope a horse one time and grade its severity and be certain and have any confidence whatsoever after reading my paper, that the result is actually a good reflection of the horse’s disease status over time. It’s a very good example of why we need to look at research more closely.” A member of the industry for 25 years prior to obtaining her PhD, Preston noted that her experiences as a jockey and as a manager of her family’s racing stable were vital in her approach to this research. “I have always been a diehard medication person,” Preston continued. “Every single horse that we ran, they raced on Lasix. Why I went back to get a PhD in the first place is that I am very passionate about issues that are related to welfare and racing. Obviously that’s become a very important topic for all of us these past few years.” Preston added, “It’s important to have data and scientific evidence to form our opinion and certainly to form our policies.” Preston’s approach was specifically centered on using racehorses that were actually still racing, so the results could be as applicable to the Lasix question as possible. “It is very important to the industry because it’s based on real-life horses,” Preston remarked. “What prompted me to do this study is I’m actually very interested in lameness and the number of injuries that we see in Thoroughbreds and what’s causing that. Why constantly every year, are we seeing fewer and fewer starts for the American horses when the rest of the world is not having that problem?” Armed with the Hong Kong Jockey Club data from her original lameness study, Preston turned her attention to one of the major differences between U.S. racing and the majority of the rest of the world–Lasix use. Preston set out to discover what happens when you don’t run on Lasix. An overarching theme with the Hong Kong Jockey Club is the idea of total transparency, so that the bettor may participate with maximum confidence. Hong Kong does not breed their own horses, so all data collected was from active racehorses in training. For the purposes of increasing uniformity, all of the data was collected from 822 imported New Zealand-bred geldings of the 836 total horses imported from that country between 2007-2012. “For a lot of different reasons, the Hong Kong Jockey Club controls everything,” Preston said. “They have totally revamped the racing model and gotten into the mode of complete transparency. Every record that can influence a bettor’s decision to bet on Horse A versus Horse B is known to them, including their veterinary records. I think the model works because people feel very confident in their betting strategies because they have complete information.” Preston’s study divided the horses into four groups: those that bled (EIPH+), those that did not bleed (EIPH-), those that experienced bleeding from the nostrils (epistaxis) and those that were not examined through endoscopy. EIPH+ horses were divided further according to the severity of their bleeding (1-4, with 4 being highest barring epistaxis) and highest severity grade (in incidents of multiple levels of EIPH+ observed) to see if there was any correlation between severity grades and causes of retirement. A majority–732/822 horses–had at least one endoscopic exam during the study duration, with 99% of those individuals examined experiencing multiple examinations. EIPH+ was diagnosed most often after racing 256/405 (63%); then after breezing 220/405 (54%); after a barrier trial 180/405 (44%); and 48/405 (11%) after an official veterinary examination. Usually, EIPH+ horses experience multiple levels of severity of EIPH+ during their careers, but lower levels of EIPH were more common in the population, than the higher levels. Also, if a horse experienced a high level of EIPH, they usually experienced a lower level of EIPH during their careers: grade three (74%), grade four (76%), and epistaxis (85%). “It doesn’t appear to affect their performance, but I haven’t been able to model that over time and say only horses that reach a severity of grade three actually go on to a higher grade,” said Preston. Horses that were EIPH+ made a higher number of lifetime starts, but not significantly different than EIPH- horses (p=0.17). Number of starts was associated with EIPH, not age. The study also found that horses that were EIPH+ were retired after a longer period of time from importation than the horses in the other groups. Ninety percent of horses that experienced epistaxis 27/30 were voluntarily retired, whereas EIPH+ horses with a maximum grade of less than three were retired for other reasons than EIPH (85%). Horses that experienced a minimum grade of three or higher EIPH were retired for EIPH-related reasons (52%). “There doesn’t appear to be a reliable pattern of progression,” added Preston. “The horses that bleed a one or a two severity seem to keep doing fine. They might bleed a two then a three, then back to a one.” Considering that the U.S. spends well over $100 million a year administering Lasix, determining if the drug helps decrease the bleeding severity with reliable data is an important next step. “What my paper does not answer is if Lasix can decrease the severity,” added Preston. “I think the next question is: does it in fact reduce the severity of bleeding and if it does, that is a whole different discussion. If Lasix doesn’t, and its only effect is weight loss and that increases the performance, than I don’t think there is any debate about whether we should do away with the race-day use of Lasix.” “There is data to suggest that the better horses for whatever reason, perhaps exertion, tend to bleed a little bit more, but it doesn’t affect their overall health status or number of races run,” she said. “I would be a very, very strong proponent of the methodology behind the scientific work that says horses in Hong Kong race absolutely perfectly fine without the pre-race administration of furosemide. In fact, they have longer careers than in the United States.” Asked if she felt the Hong Kong horses’ results reflect what we would find in the U.S. population in terms of bleeding frequency and severity, Preston pointed out the scarcity of data. “When your sample is representative of the population, you can then draw inferences in the paper from the population,” Preston commented. “I don’t have that data to make that comparison, but I don’t think there is any biological reason that New Zealand-bred horses that would be racing in Hong Kong would be any different than any other Thoroughbred population in the world.” Preston originally integrated performance parameters, winning percentages, earnings and other factors into the study, but found that it became too complicated for a single paper. She is already hard at work on the next step concerning the Lasix issue. “It did make sense to me, the more involved I got, to separate them,” she added. “The first question is what happens when we race without Lasix. The second question is, what happens amongst horses with different pedigrees, which is a proxy in the next study for country of origin. Thirdly, let’s talk about what happens to performance. I really would hope that this discussion engages people in the idea that we need to do more research and rely less on subjective opinions.”

What say you now Weas...still need a rest? Looks like they've finally got the correct gear on...3rd time VB's, Ear Covers pre...2nd time at a Mile...waltzes in...faster time than other Miles by 3/5L winning by 4L easing down... Will eat the Oaks distance and still green after only 12 starts... ...should be cherry ripe for the 2 Fillies races over Xmas at HQ... The Lotto winner must be loving her now...

So you wouldn't have heard about this more than likely... The HOPELESS Racing Media...you know like WEIGH IN...where only good news is allowed...and not a thing about whips...only b/s info that Greasing Guerin supplies for his Jockey Buddies...or HIGHLY relevant 'Drug' scratchings Anyway...the Trainer of PAMIR is sighted by the Racecourse Investigator as having syringed a substance into his horse's mouth.... "Water" he said....and "it's not even a syringe" He even had the audacity to take the matter to the JCA who upon looking at said 'syringe'...confirmed it was indeed a 'syringe' F me...it takes a Cloth haired Judge like 'Judge' to tell everyone what even a Dullard Stipe could see...'a syringe' So 'Judge' McKenzie and Anderson had to disturb their free lunch and tasty beverages to adjudicate if the 'syringe' was indeed that and had a substance safely ensconced into PAMIR's gob... Confirmed... ..ffs...at least they have a microwave to heat their FREE lunch up again The problem with Amatuer trainers though...they either don't know the rules or just say " f da rules" And I'm betting the left it's as Luxton says "water" The Racing Media certainly won't care about reporting the result... ...especially WEIGH IN...even if it was drugged...they won't report it either ONLY GOOD NEWS ALLOWED next