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Mystik Dan's ranking is a joke The US Triple Crown is a joke Terrible ranking system

If you want to see a prime example of someone who is about to lose their job, watch Race 1 from Warrnambool on replay. Madness.

I expected nothing. I didn't even know it was happening. But they will spruik this website as innovative, when it's not.

It's a cloned site from about 10 others in Aus...

Would the TAB website, or lack there of it, impact Trackside? Why can't they show the races?

No coverage for the first race. That's unacceptable, and very rare. What's going on with Trackside? Amateur hour.

So the Australian races are 30 seconds from kicking off and TS1 and TS2 have no footage? It's only the Warrnambool carnival after all..

Sure, as I've said throughout this thread, 1600m-2000m (middle distance).

True, and she didn't come back from that, at least in Europe. I rate UK middle-distance form (1600-2000m) much higher than Aus, so obviously I pick Frankel, and I would say by around 3-4 lengths on a peak VE. Obviously, my opinion, because it never happened. You'll disagree, and your opinion will be just that, an opinion. I won't find the need to personally attack anyone who disagrees with my opinion, because if I did, my opinion alone holds no weight. But all good. We will continue to see third-rate UK runners come to Australia and win, and still have Australians thinking they have the best horses in the world. It's clear, to most, that they don't. Champions we have noted aside, the overall quality of horses in Australia right now is poor (IMO, JMHO, in my opinion, in my honest opinion).

It's interesting you mentioned Verry Elleegant. The almost perfect example... almost Granted, she was tired, but her form in Europe was dreadful, almost out of sight, overnight. Laying claim that winning in Australia is much, much, much easier than winning anywhere in Europe (at middle distance), even average races like she was lining up in. But, unlike you Gammlite, who can have a discussion without sounding off, the others aren't capable of such.

Right, I see your point now A two-time Group 1 age-group placegetter in Aus is certainly good enough to win Group 1s in Hong Kong. I don't see how that relates to me saying European middle distance form is better than Australian middle distance form, and European sprinting form is worse than Australian sprinting form, but whatever boat you're floating on, the tide must be high.

Can you clarify what you're saying about Werther? Who was a star in both Australia and Hong Kong...

I base my opinion on countless examples of former UK runners winning in Australia, over varying distances. There are also countless examples of former Hong Kong runners, who had form lines of 00000, winning in New Zealand upon their return. Australian racing is centered around sprinting, and it has been a massive detriment to their middle-distance ranks, and the proof is in the pudding. In MY opinion, Frankel would destroy any middle-distance (1600-2000) race in Australia at the moment. However, I believe Winx would have beaten Frankel in Australia. Unsure why Black Caviar was even mentioned in the same sentence as Frankel, as my point was only about the clear class difference between UK and Aus middle-distance runners.

In my opinion, Frankel would win the Tancred (taken out by Kalapour in 2024) by 15 lengths. That is my opinion of what would happen. Your opinion is that Frankel wouldn't perform well in Australia, and you're allowed your opinion without being called a pompous git and other such names like journalist (much worse). Can't you engage in debate without thinking your opinion is right and only right? If so, seek help, or are you related to LM?

I take nothing away from what BC achieved. Granted, the Ascot sprint is a much harder track than what she faced in Australia in terms of elevation. I'm happy someone saw my point about lesser-rated UK horses coming over and winning Australia's biggest G1 races. I can't imagine what would happen if their best came over. Australian racing would be made to look embarrassing, and it's really only the sprinting ranks that saves face. Ortensia won at Goodwood and York (for a whopping 200,000 pounds). She had only one G1 win in Australia (in Perth) prior to winning in Meydan and Europe. That's another prime example of the sprinting ranks around the world, outside of Australia.

The best sprinters aren't in Europe. They're not bred to sprint, and name me a single horse Black Caviar defeated at Royal Ascot off the top of your head. Yes, exactly! Frankel destroyed his opposition in Europe, yet, third-rate stayers from Europe come to Australia and destroy their fields. Yet, Huey believes Frankel wouldn't run well in Australia. That is the biggest joke I've ever heard in my life. Horses like Via Sistina make Australia's best look second-rate, let alone one of the best thoroughbreds of all time. Chief, I'm pretty sure you just disagree with everyone on here for the sake of driving traffic to your threads. When was the last time you agreed with someone? Granted, your IQ is much much higher than Scoobysnacks on the other site, who must be teetering around the 40-point mark. But, don't seem so tense all the time. We're talking opinion. There is no fact involved here, because everything between BC vs Frankel etc is hypothetical.

The third-rate UK imports don't need to improve to win in Australia, that's my point. We have never seen their very best in Australia, and the UK never got to see our very best middle-distance runner (Winx). Black Caviar winning at Royal Ascot is akin to Usain Bolt winning the Auckland 100m championships. I'm talking milers and above, like Frankel, who would have won the 2024 Group 1 Tacred Stakes by 15 lengths.

Pretentious? I'm just offering my opinion, as you are. It's only pretentious if you believe your opinion is right, and could only be right, but we both have no proof either way. Beware of dogmatism now, Huey. BC's win was good, but the field was distinctly average. Via Sistina cleaned them up a couple of weeks ago before running a massive second behind Pride of Jenni. Via Sistina isn't even close to being near the top over there.

And name calling, really? Are you 12?

I am not a journalist Well Huey, that would favour Black Caviar, who fell in over 1200m at Ascot? She was a sprinter and that's it. Frankel, yes won a G1 over 1400m, but was 1600m+ at its best.

I can't really continue this convo, seeing as you seem to think Black Caviar and Frankel would even be in the same race. Black Caviar, the champion miler that she was...

You are now saying Enable and Frankel would be soundly beaten in Australia when random stayers you have never heard of take out Group 1's in Sydney? Now, come on Huey. That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

Brown Panther - I don't think running eighth in the Cup is a failure. I'm meaning horses from Europe that come to Australian stables. Not hit and run missions. If a horse like Baeed or Enable had come down under and failed to fire a shot during a lengthy campaign, then I would relinquish my opinion. The Europeans who win in Australia are third rate at best. They're not even close to their best middle-distance/stayers. And they have 2500+ horses winning over 1400m in Australia.

Can you give me an example of a staying superstar that failed in Australia?