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Not so much a focus just on stakes/turnover But stakes are the biggest cost to the industry and turnover is the biggest effective income to the industry, so it has to be the main focus. Less money allocated to stakes would mean more money for infrastructure, just as higher turnover would

We are potentially reaching a watershed in NZ racing The Entain 5 year guarantee of money finishes in 2.5 years and if the profit is not at a certain level we will potentially see a reduction in payout This in a climate where racing is losing ground, I think it is worldwide??? Also as sports betting increases, sports bodies will want a bigger share There is also the threat from animal rights groups just sitting there waiting to possibly erupt. The political climate in NZ is uncertain, God forbid it but if the Greens make it into a coalition, more pressure will come on racing. Racing has to make sure it uses the money it does get wisely and putting it into races that generate a higher turnover is one avenue. Yes, there are many others.

You are pre-judging. Hopefully Curious will post the data and posters can chew it over (debate).

Curious, are you able/willing to keep posting this data each month. Some big stakes racing coming up in Feb/March. Thanks

Unfortunately that is the association most common with the word collaborator. Watch quite a bit of History Channel. When France was liberated and once the initial euphoria was over, things turned very nasty. The people knew who all the collaborators were and they were swiftly dealt with. Heads shaved, tar and feathering and their own punishments meted out. De Gaulle came in with a strong hand or France would have descended into anarchy. Not a pleasant time to be around

Of course there are other measures, but turnover/stakes, not just on a particular day but as a trend across the industry is important There are measures that are hard to measure, like the way the big club meetings that get World Pool status and therefore bring more spotlight on NZ racing, which may have flow on effects

Looking at the top 12 in the ratio, they are pretty much industry days spread across a variety of clubs throughout the industry

I'm surprised you would say it is pointless. One of the things you have always talked about is a sustainable industry. One metric for measuring this is the turnover/stake ratio. The figures you presented for January, clearly show that the prestige races/meetings perform poorly on this measure.

Surely he didn't

I guess that is the only thing going for the horse, by Almanzor which is known to leave a stayer or 3, Manzoice

It is still living up to the other slogan, Punters Graveyard. Hard to make any sort of story at all for Manzor Blue

Is that an oxymoron

An extrapolated industry like this would probably see the demise of racing in NZ, with many packing up their bags (owners and trainers) and either moving to Aus or slanting their operation towards more Aus racing It is effectively a 50% reduction in stake money. We see the bleating that goes on, on social media with the current stakes level, so that would just amplify it. It would mean the end of Te Akau in NZ, and probably full stop, as they have not established their credentials enough in Aus

If we took the best 12 performing on a revenue to stakes ratio, all mainly industry days and did some extrapolating based on an industry with 300 meetings per annum. We would end up with Total stakes raced for - 52,261,500 Total revenue generated - 460,752,600 Ratio - 8.82

Total Racing NZ and Overseas plus total Sports betting

Thanks It is very limited data though Total turnover was 663.1 million. Is that good or bad. What is the net betting revenue

I ignore it, it has no effect on me. Michael Hawke who I know also serves it back up to CW, a lot better than me. I'd prefer that many new people who have not come across CW before, know exactly what he is like and how bad he is for racing. Much the same as the bloke in this article

I believe not, as it makes them come across as weak. Those reprobates, along with their small group of nutter followers, nothing will ever change their mind, so deal to them. Herlihy who runs the FB site is also anti the current establishment and also a conspiracy theorist. I found that out early on, which is why I don't post anything of note there

YES! It also raises a question over the social media sites that allow this sort of info to be published, usually in a vile and personally insulting manner

They should have stated in the NZB release that the aggregate, average and median were higher, quoting data, all of which they did. Then quoted the clearance rate and said it was on a par with last year. If you just report the positive stuff then the release is spin

One of the people in his book, Ken Austin, whose great grandson runs Inglewood Stud, pictured (right) at Randwick in 1920 with the Duke of Windsor (Edward VIII till abdication) to the left and Lord Louis Mountbatten on the grey

In the Day 1 results the NZB release reported the positive facts, it had no mention that the clearance rate was about the same as last year. That is selective reporting of facts which is spin. Do you think Wightman is having a bad affect on me lol. There was a woman who called him boring and he launched a sustained character assassination of her. What an asshole

I saw the clearance rate was an improvement and I'm sure NZB would have reported it in any press release (have not seen any as have been busy). All it does is accentuate that the first day release was spin, because they only included positive markers. Surely you can see that

I would say that makes the likelihood of her contesting the Proisir Plate to try and claim the $500K bonus, very likely. It is a $50K bonus to Stephen Marsh Or, if they don't win and the bonus is still live, the Howden Mile 3 weeks later. All this as a precursor to a Spring campaign in Aus. A lot can go wrong in that time of course and may depend on the success in any Autumn racing campaign after the Kiwi, which is apparently her next race. No lead ups

I got this response on the Facebook Thoroughbred site from one of the original part owners, someone called Alan Johnston Your understanding is correct Alan. As one of the original owners, who sold half our share, the deal with Yulong clearly states it stays with Marsh for duration of racing career, and under his management. Only concession we made was she could race in their colours. Sure, she will probably race in Aussie, but transfer there?…not a chance!