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It was running like a finely tuned F1 beast while Thommo was away for 3 weeks 2500 posts on thoroughbred from mid Dec to mid Jan, no agro The best thread we've ever had Punting 101, great knowledgeable posts by Mardi Barry Curious VC FTF Turny and a few others. No sniping or non sensical stuff The TAB thread, 500 posts, 12,000 views Now the site is fucked, thanks to a narcissistc prick Where is the sense in all that, oh that's right, we upheld his right to free speech

I've come to the conclusion in the last day Des that he can't be managed He is intent on dominating and corrupting every thoroughbred thread with his loopy garble As said previously I have happily volunteered my time to help build this site, but have better things to do than see any of the work I have done that may have helped the site, be undone, which it is with so many exiting, and for nothing to be done about it

To use and old phrase Thommo, you're a bullshit artist

You are missing the point John, it is not about people being thin skinned, it is about what is best for the site to be able to grow. New people visiting or thinking about joining the site will be deterred if they see a lot of threads that have degenerated into squabbles. Sure existing members can ignore, but that does not apply to visitors looking at the site for the first time

As a compromise, if you must Chief, to meet the free speech principle, give him his own section, that he can post on, say what he likes about issues etc etc, and others can respond if they feel they must. But he is not allowed to post on the Thoroughbred forum, and if he does, the posts are just moved to his section

Also, it is free speech, until it gets ugly, then it is pushed to the back of the room(The Vent), so new people thinking about joining the site are less likely to see it. I think that was the point I was making all along

Correct, given freely and willingly and in good faith, because of the way The Chief was being treated on RC, but now withdrawn, for reasons that most can see. I, along with someone who has helped crystallise my thoughts have come to the conclusion that Thommo has Narcissistic Personality Disorder(like Molloy) You can't change or manage him. He will keep going till he dominates(like Racechat), scaring off any potential pretenders that threaten his dominance, and in the process effectively destroy the site, or make it like Racechat, which is the same thing. A very unusual, one off case Check out these symptoms Exaggerates own importance Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence or ideal romance Believes he or she is special and can only be understood by other special people or institutions Requires constant attention and admiration from others Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Well let's give him the opportunity to prove himself. If he refuses or makes excuses, then people can draw their own conclusions

Well if as he claims, his system is flawless, then I for one would like to see the 'proof of the pudding'. Let's say a couple of weeks of posting selections....pre race

Sorry missed that Would you mind re-posting detail of how you won 10k from $200. If the blueprint or strategy or whatever you call it has no flaws, how about doing us all a favour for a short while, like Barry did, and post your selections for each meeting. Saying what you would have picked after the races, does not really cut it with people on here, I'm sure you will understand that

The ones on Flamingo and Tinkalicious too please

See this thread

Poisoned Dwarf

Self promotion and trolling, probably in that order

Looking back through those posts, he has consistently, and you would have to question whether, for the sake of it, attacked, in a usually unsavoury manner, almost everyone that has tried to make a positive contribution to the site. The Punting 101 thread, one of the best we ever had, being a classic example. People with vast experience in punting, giving of their knowledge, on this site, and being mocked for it, by a person who never once put their money where their mouth is and selected horses, but chose to sit on the sideline and continually snipe Sure, by your own admission, there is a little bit of wheat amongst the chaff, but you would have to spend a lot of time finding it That is trolling, and you defend that.....walks away shaking his head

That is not correct, he joined approx 2 months after the site started, and if you look back through his posts, the cantankerous approach towards other posters has increased over time

That's great in theory Maximus, and it was the Chief's New Years resolution, but Thomass came back the threads got corrupted, and no moderation ever happened. It's a hard one, because you almost need someone on it full time

I've been over it several times before, if you haven't got it by now, you never will

Rubbish, open your eyes, there is a poster who will take your site down from where it has got to, and there are an increasing number of people trying to tell you that.........for the sake of your site. I don't know why they bother with the approach being seen from you

Also what are you going to do if Molloy and McKenzie come on here, muddying the water, all the stuff you are so used to, as you were the subject of a lot of it Chief on RC All within the rules say Allow it in the name of upholding the principle of free speech Might be amusing for a short while, but very quickly destructive

Here's another aspect to this Just remember, sure, posters who don't like it can block it, but what about all the other people who read the site, what sort of impression are they going get, and they are the new, potential regsitered members What have we said before about the impact that has been left with many looking at RC, too toxic an environment to be bothered with. They have cleaned up their act a lot since those days, and that must now be the biggest threat to BOAY continuing it's growth, since BOAY appear to be going in the opposite direction thanks to the loon.

The salient point

Barry can be a very abrasive character, he simply does not bear fools easily, i have born the brunt of it many times. But he has made a huge contribution to BOAY, with his knowledge on thoroughbreds and punting, which he has been prepared to share, with all good intentions. Actually putting his money where his mouth is, tipping out horses........before the race

I've told the Chief, that I am out, other than the comps, and won't be back in any active role till the loon gets removed, I understand there are quite a few others who feel this way (And, they are still showing loyalty to BOAY, in that they will not rejoin RC) The Chief will not do this on the basis of preserving the principle of free speech for everyone, after the nonsense at RC. Fair enough, I agree in principle, but disagree with not protecting the good name the site has built up. The guy is a troll FFS I have urged him to put a rider in the rules to address this, that he reserves the right to remove anyone who he believes consistently acts in such a manner that is deleterious to the long term good of the site. That gets around those, that from time to time have go at someone Let's get this quite straight, it's not my site, but I have helped a lot to get it off the ground(been a lot of subterfuge involved in that too lol), but I don't believe it is in the best long term interests and direction of the site, to have someone regularly corrupting threads(have a look at the last part of Punting 101 if you don't believe me) ), deludedly thinking they are the answer to the sites woes(what a complete fucking joke, the guy would not have a clue), of which there aren't any, other than him. You can to and fro on this as much as you want, the rights and wrongs etc etc, but take that one common denominator out, and the site is fine, with robust debate on racing issues, not lewd, blow up dolls. The last straw for most, as I see it, Thomass was away for 3 weeks, the site hummed, then he is back and within half a day, maybe about a dozen threads corrupted. The Chief, with all the best intentions, has been unable to address this Bad vibes all round, and that will never allow the site atmosphere to be taken to the heights of what Race Cafe used to be with Dave and Anjie running it....so I'm reliably informed by a number who have posted as such on here And FFS don't say ignore him or don't bait him, he'll just keep on keeping on. And also, yes it is personal, I can't stand the guy the way he posts, but that is not the issue, it is about what is best for BOAY, (which is why I have taken a stand) the site that so many have contributed to, to make it what it is in such a short time Even Molloy could not get this one wrong, saying any site with Thomass on, cannot be successful.

Wasn't referring to you