Mikie

Why not? Because I already knew That's not the point The point is Brodie posted a statement that he now can't substantiate, nothing more to it than that Mikie

FFS I am not saying that there was adequate consultation or whether or not Brodie doesn't have a point I already knew who drafted the Rule but that wasn't my question I am saying that Brodie stated that the Rule was brought in by the CEO "off his own bat" ie without Board approval That's wrong as you have helped out with I have asked Brodie for a list of things that the CEO brought in "off his own bat" I haven't had 1 so far have I? If you feel the need to help Brodie out that's fine, but it doesn't alter the fact that he posted crap that he can't back up, and it's pretty obvious that he can't despite having many hours to come up with something Every reply from him skirts the issue, no reply substantiates his initial claim Not one farken thing can he come up with, and since he is always on the money is 1 farken thing too much to ask? Mikie

You answered the question The Board approved the Rule Therefore it can't be added to the list I have asked Brodie for, which was decisions that the CEO made off his own bat I don't want to know who drafted the Rule, I don't need to know who pushed it, I never asked any question about consultancy. These are all things that Brodie could have said. He didn't Mikie

FFS Read what I am saying I have said numerous times that Mr Rennell may have agreed with what was passed (and obviously in respect of the whip rule he did) What I am trying to point out is that he did not make any decision that you so far have referred to "off his own bat" which is what you said You are being a buffoon now You were wrong in what you said, Chief has tried to help you out of pity I presume, but you are still wrongh and you just won't admit it No one is trolling you, well maybe Ranga is but now I have sympathy for him, you posted tripe so that's your fault Mikie

OK Chief Was the Whip Rule approved by the HRNZ Board in November 2017? Or was it brought in at some time by the CEO off his own bat without any consensus? Mikie

What part is wrong? Answer: The part where you said that Mr Rennell brought in the Rule "off his own bat without consensus" What part haven't you backed up? Answer: The part where I asked you for a list of decisions made by the CEO, not the Board, to back up your initial statement "I haven't backtracked". Response: That's true, you haven't, and you haven't come up with a single item for the list I asked you for Try to comprehend Brodie, you didn't say that Mr Rennell was CEO at a time that decisions were made that you regarded as silly, you said he made those decisions himself. Can't you see the difference? Ranga's starting to look more and more like a messiah; or a saint for putting up with you Mike

Missed this post by you Chief Just answer 1 question Who/what brought in the 2017 Whip Rule? Not who influenced it, not who recommended it, not who drove it? Just a simple one word answer Chief Mikie

Chief It can be "led by the CEO", I have no problem with that, and if Brodie had used those words we would not be debating it It is not a question of semantics, Brodie stated that the CEO made decisions "off his own bat without consensus" That is completely different to placing something before a Board for them to consider, or ratify, or even rubber stamp Let Brodie get himself out of his own hole I asked for a list from him, all I've had is onerous posts about the whip rule No wonder Ranga gets sick of him Mikie

Again Brodie, you seem incapable of reading my posts I have already acknowledged that Mr Rennell was for the whip rule, and Chief is quite right when he said that it was led by the CEO, but this is immaterial You did not say that Mr Rennell was for the whip ruLe which is why you were 'against' him, you said that he made decisions (note the plural) that you didn't agree with You said that he introduced the Rule or Regulation "off his own bat without any consensus" That is incorrect and despite Chief doing his best to help you squirm out of what you said you haven't succeeded As Chief pointed out the whip Rule was passed by the Board, and that is completely different to what you stated If you had said to begin with that Mr Rennell was CEO when decisions were made by the Board that you don't agree with then I wouldn't have pulled you up. You didn't say that For the 6th time, give me a list of decisions made by the CEO, not the Board, that you regard as silly Mikie

Take the quote above onboard Brodie and try to learn something Your last response to me was 14 paragraphs long and you spent all of them trying to rephrase what you originally said (again) You are coming across as a bit of a dickhead in that you can’t back up what you said but you won’t apologise For your benefit (again) it doesn’t matter what views Mr Rennell held, he didn’t have the power to change Rules or Regulations which is what you suggested he did by using the words “ off his own bat without consensus” Yoy were wrong, you have been shown up as being wrong Stop trying to rewrite or rephrase what you said Man up and apologise Mikie

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It's been so long that I cannot remember who was CEO before him Trotsfan, and I've been scratching my head, so I really can't offer an opinion Mr Rennell had the benefit of far better Boards (previously the Executive) during most of his tenure as well It was certainly better when he was there as compared to now Mikie

I'll take Krug Dinner on it? Mikie

Brodie's Quote: Edward Rennell was in charge of HRNZ was he not and so his opinion carried most weight, I wouldve thought? Incorrect Correct

Posturing is an apt and accurate description Brodie. I think it could be taken to mean you posted something that sounded great in your own mind but it wasn't something that was factual You made a statement, I asked you to back it up and you can't. You are squirming You have now tried to rephrase your post by now stating that Mr Rennell's opinion was that he was for the new whip rule. That may be correct, but if he was against the changed Rule there is such a thing as collective responsibility and he would not have been able to say that he was against it in any event. However I digress. You are now trying to say that decisions were made on Mr Rennell's watch. That is completely different to your initial post where you stated that he made a decision "off his own bat" You have now dug yourself in even deeper by posting that Mr Rennell has not had success in business. Tell me, what did Mr Rennell do before he was CEO of HRNZ? Do you even know? If not, it's just more posturing on your part Don't come back and ask me what he did, don't come back and ask me his business record prior to becoming CEO. You made the post, you infer that you know. So share Brodie Why don't you just post that you accept that you are wrong, that you cannot come up with a single decision that was made by Mr Rennell as opposed to the Board, that you didn't think before you posted, that you aren't on the money, and that you now feel really, really stupid That way other posters will accept your apology and realise that you are truly remorseful and we can move on Well, I will, I'm not sure about Ranga I know you personally too Brodie and I think that you are a nice bloke, but now I'm thinking that you are a nice bloke who runs off on the keyboard without thought Mikie

I don’t have the qualifications that the Job Description states and the Board wouldn’t want me, plus I couldn’t work under that Board Thank you for your support though Mikie

Brodie I asked you for a list of decisions that Mr Rennell made You have replied with “the whip rule” which was not a decision that Mr Rennell made. That decision was made by the Board of HRNZ You have queried whether the “enquiry rule” was made during Mr Rennell’s tenure. The query is irrelevant as, once again, this was a decision made by the Board and not Mr Rennell I doubt you can come up with anything Brodie which confirms that either you don’t comprehend which decisions are made by CEO and which are made by the Board, or you were merely posturing Let’s go with posturing Mikie

OK Brodie Itemise the decisions that Mr Rennell made that you refer to Not Board decisions, Mr Rennell's decisions You made the post, now front up with an itemised list Thanks Mikie

You are joking? An Aussie? After all the Aussies we have had at Thoroughbred Racing? Give me strength Mikie

No IOP, I'm not Mikie

Wouldn't anyone be apprehensive about working for a dysfunctional Board? Even my guess for the job now says he's not sure about applying Mikie

"Of course, like anybody I repeat myself endlessly, but I don't know that I'm doing it, usually." Brian Eno

I haven't bothered to look it up, but I think you are incorrect I am sure that the stand down period relates to tote races, not trials Mikie

I already made it quite clear that I was not going to name who I thought would get the position, as to do so would jeopardise their chances given the vitriol about me emanating from HRNZ Board (who apparently weren't keen on the CEO engaging with me about their Funding Policy) You are also putting words in my mouth as I never stated that who I thought would get the job was 'qualified', I merely stated that I thought that I could guess who would get the job There is a Club Secretary who is well qualified in relation to the Job description but I doubt he will apply. My reading is that he is too good a bloke to put up with the current Board performance Mikie