curious

For me as an owner, as I said, I don't really care about strike rate. If they can win a couple of races in a season and we have some fun and a couple of thrills, all good. Whether they do that in 10 starts or 20 is immaterial.

I wonder how SI starter numbers have tracked over recent seasons. Can't seem to find that.

As a punter or owner, I could care less about trainer strike rates. Meaningless to me. Wins or stakes earned per individual starter might be of some interest as an owner, though not something I've looked at.

Why?

I'd rather have neither.

I quite agree with you on that. However, lesser doesn't mean not critical and you'd think NZTR could work on fixing more than one issue at a time.

The other jockey did. Also quite evident on the video. That was ignored as well.

There's no point sending pictures to the RIB. NZTR are responsible for the rules, penalties and their enforcement and their response is that they don't see a problem with the current rules or their enforcement. That is in response to my road show question about it last year. You certainly can't do that from the head on but don't the stewards have inside vision as well? If not they should organise it. How do you think other juridictions signed up to the same rules enforce them as effectively as they seem to?

It proves to me that the jockey struck the horse in the flank. Is that not what you see? I don't see what the other jockey has to do with it?

Tabcorp and NSW government’s delicate dance as Gill hunts the trifecta By Bren O'Brien - June 19, 2025 When NSW treasurer Daniel Mookhey delivers his third state budget on Tuesday, there is unlikely to be any mention of a rise in Point of Consumption Tax (POCT) or the ongoing review of Tabcorp’s deal in the state. Tabcorp chief executive Gillon McLachlan is pushing for a NSW reform deal to be integrated into his broader goal broader goal of creating a national tote pool. (Photo: The Image is Everything - Bronwen Healy & Darren Tindale Photography) This time last year, speculation was rife that Mookhey would look to lift the NSW POCT rate from 15 to 20 per cent, much to the chagrin of racing administrators, wagering executives and professional punters. However, a week out from the 2024 budget, the treasurer announced a review into Tabcorp’s licensing agreements in NSW after receiving a proposal from the wagering giant to create what it calls a ‘level playing field’ – although its rivals beg to differ. Put simply, it wanted a similar deal to what it had achieved in Victoria and Queensland and was willing to pay a considerable fee – said to be around $700 million - to buy out of its current exclusivity deal which runs until 2033.

What rules can't be enforced? You mentioned that on the closed thread about the flank rule. If you've been watching Ascot you won't see anything that comes close to a flank strike. Here it's multiple horses in most races. And they are not just momentary indentations. Go stand at the exit to the birdcage after a race for a few races next time you are there. I guarantee you'll see whip marks on the flank of a couple of horses most races.

Might just be someone using a betting plan like Kelly? Or, more likely the bet was restricted to winning 2k.

That had me flummoxed too

Can I add Chris Waller to the list for Huey's critique please?

A few strides later ...

I can assure you that this is not modified. It is straight from the race video and consistent with what @Thomassposted.Whatever you may think about whether the rules here should be brought into line with global standards or not, this is a very bad look and the stewards have ignored it even though it was repeated several times in this instance. Great they brought in the flank strike rule but there's little point having rules without consistent application and penalties that are severe enough to minimise the incidence of breaches like this.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192843 You'll probably dismiss that too as not robust enough, but if so, put up some evidence to the contrary. 30% won't win an election if it comes down to letting the polis decide.

Sure there are but that doesn't dismiss this one. 70% of the public don't agree with you. And if there is any mob involved, it's those that won't bring our whip rules into line with global standards and won't ensure that they are enforced with effective penalties. Head in the sand stuff which can only continue to lead thoroughbred racing down the same path as greyhound racing.

I also see a way above shoulder height strike.

OK. So how is that one manipulated? To me it shows what it shows, including a whip mark across the horse's flank?

What do you mean they are far from accurate?

Yep. A go to bloke to get grass roots issues sorted.

L Satherley (JOSHUA BROWN) - Admitted a charge in that she struck her mount seven times prior to the 100 metre mark with a further 5 strikes inside the final 100 metres. After considering submissions the Adjudicative Committee imposed a fine of $300.

Of what?

On a positive note, I have noticed today that more jockeys seem to be making an effort to avoid strikes on the flank.