curious

And if it was out of alignment, why didn't someone realign it once that became apparent?

Well if you ever watched a field full of yearlings Gamma, you'd have a different view. They regularly race each other and often reach the far end of the paddock and turn around and race each other back. I assume they do so for fun, though there might be an innate element of practising to avoid predators because the slowest one ends up their dinner. Whatever, they do it without a whip or a jockey to brandish it in sight. Have you read the studies on this?

Really?

I've raised that before. You'd think so but it seems to be a mutually acceptable variance to that.

The $120m they are aiming to recover 75% of is yield/punter losses. It's the increase in revenue that should be evident in weeks if this is effective.

Yes, I'd say targeted social media advertising would likely be key.

Owners' Federation.

Actually that should read $7.5m a month.

I had a look at this a while back. Currently do about 10% with NZTAB. I might double that volume but 90% of what I currently bet off shore I won't be able to bet with NZTAB, so they'll be recovering only a small portion in my case.

Good to see. This is tackling public perception head on. Shame NZTR and the likes of the OF haven't shown the same initiative.

Well it shouldn't take long to find out. If their predictions are correct, TAB revenue will increase from next month by about $6m a month won't it?

Actually up 30% in the last 3 months.

In the future maybe. I just checked the odds for half a dozen runners tonight on unibet. They were all higher there than the NZTAB. On average, I'd say about 10%.

Oh no, not transferred. They were closed and refunded.

That's long since happened.

Gosh, that's a bit alarmist! I doubt that will happen. Likely the same as the Entain bookies in Oz, they will notify NZ based account holders, close the accounts and refund balances, blocking betting on those accounts in the interim. The bookies all have phone numbers anyway in the worst case. It will be interesting to see how most of them do handle it though. They've had plenty of time to prepare. Other than those already paying POC charges, I wonder how they will notify the countless other providers around the world that are taking bets from NZers about this law change?

Racing to receive major boost from NZ betting law changes Entain Australia and New Zealand 25 June 2025 Changes to New Zealand betting laws which passed in Parliament today will provide a vital boost to New Zealand sporting and racing codes and to the safety of New Zealand bettors when the bill becomes law later this month. Alongside the strengthened harm minimisation protections for New Zealand customers as a result of these law changes, a NZ$100 million payment from Entain Group, which will be made after the changes to the Racing Industry Act take effect, will further deepen Entain’s commitment to the New Zealand industry and will boost the fortunes for Kiwi racing participants and national sporting organisations. Entain’s suite of brands in New Zealand include TAB and betcha, offering Kiwis a choice of bookmaker and betting preferences. Entain’s 25-year strategic partnership with statutory body TAB NZ was established in June 2023 to provide an immediate financial uplift to the New Zealand racing codes and 38 National Sporting Organisations, committing more than $360 million to boost the fortunes of racing and sports in the first two years of the partnership, and almost $1 billion in the first five years. The payment to racing and sporting codes and ongoing benefits from the law changes plays a crucial role in supporting communities and teams across New Zealand, sitting alongside efforts from government, member participation and sponsorship, Entain Australia and New Zealand’s Managing Director – New Zealand, Sam Moncur said. “Entain is proud to be building on TAB NZ's legacy of backing Kiwi racing and sport,” Moncur said. “We are also very aware of the privilege we have to provide a world-class betting experience to Kiwis. Entain, through TAB and betcha, will deliver odds as fair and competitive as a customer would find in the highly competitive Australian market. “Kiwis love a fair go, and we’re committed to providing fair odds for our racing and sports fans into the future.” Entain Australia and New Zealand has been relentlessly focused on improving both the betting experience through investment in technology and the TAB retail network, as well as harm minimisation measures for customers since the strategic partnership began. The TAB platform refresh in April 2024 brought with it a world leading suite of safer betting tools available to all customers. These best-in-class tools offer comprehensive choices to help customers tailor the way they manage their betting. These tools also became available to betcha customers upon its launch in August 2024. These include: the ability to set deposit limits, an individual bet limit, curfews, controlling the markets a customer can choose to see, blocking out days of the week, deposit options, self[1]exclusion and account closure. More harm minimisation options will be introduced to the New Zealand market to add to Entain’s world-class support in this area. “We're honoured to contribute to the future of the racing codes and play a part in keeping Kiwi sport alive and thriving,” Moncur said.

Yes, but I don't think Thommo is trying to appease anyone here, though probably not to dupe them either.

Every day and every event? And I assume you mean cully not curry?

According to Chatgpt: Summary For young adults in New Zealand: Horse racing is no longer a top-tier interest, though it remains a niche entertainment option. Interest is mostly event-driven and social rather than sustained sporting passion. Sports like basketball, football, and social lifestyle events are significantly more popular among this demographic.

And remember these are only 2yos. I imagine we'll see a few more performing next season.

I'm not quite clear about your post on this. Did Dan conclude that the difference between whipped and not whipped was in fact significant, despite the study concluding it was not?

Yeah, sorry to hear that. Probably a poorly written rule

I'm surprised @Chief Stipe didn't pull you up for this post. Did you not see this? By Chief Stipe 22/06/25 Snapshots of TV Replays alledgedly depicting breaches of the whip rules will be allowed only at BOAY's administrator's discretion. The minimum threshold for publication is the picture must be accompanied by details of the date, race meeting, race number and horse number/name.

I wasn't aware that any policy based on it was being proposed? I was responding to @Special Agent wrt the incidence of epistaxis. There's no evidence to suggest that. What there is suggests the opposite.