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Meeting News Riccarton Feature First Nominations First Nominations for the 1000 Guineas, 2000 Guineas, The TAB Mile (previously Coupland's Mile) & NZ Cup are due Tuesday 27th August by 4pm with the National Racing Bureau

Guineas markets are still pre-nom but some insiders must know the noms. Integrity +

Some here for Thursday and Saturday I think.

Yes. The stakes there are the stakes, not just the NZTR contributions, so include sponsorship and sweepstake contributions etc. However, that still provides a reasonable reflection of betting interest cf. stakes however those are funded.

Yeahh, do the same calculation for those meetings in the bottom 20.

Maybe to make sure the roses are right for cup week?

That's the ratio. Turnover to stakes, not the percentage, stakes to turnover, so $1,903,756/176,000 = 10.82. But yes, the likes of Kumara might go close to covering stakes on net revenue.

Here's the bottom 20 on that basis for comparison. @TAB For Ever may like to comment.

Yep as from the data set above. So, as you say, if you estimate revenue, the order will remain the same.

Another successful trial set of jump outs at Rangiora this morning. Really, what a waste of a super draining winter track. Probably about a soft 6. Riccarton reporting a H10 this morning.

Yes. That's the total meeting turnover.

I don't have that data. Do you? Or can you get it?

Top 20 Total meeting turnover to stakes during that period.

Here's this season's TR data thru February. Should be available on request or at least by OIA. NZ TAB TR data 23-24 thru Feb.xlsx

https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Racing-NSW-Draft-Strategic-Plan-2024.pdf

Changed about 15 or so years ago when revenue from races pretty much covered stakes. Now on average half that. Love to have that data if you can get it anymore. Happy to analyse it if you can.

I think you've entirely missed the point here @TAB For Ever. What RV have done here is exactly what you say, reduced stakes for some top races with funds redistributed to boost grassroots initiatives. So, for example, taking prize money from the All Star and Australian Cup and diverting it to both boost money for other top level races where warranted as well as lower level races, picnic meetings in particular, by 40%. This appears to be driven by the downturn in wagering and is designed to maximise returns to participants and owners, apparently to bring prize money more into line with the wagering revenue generated by events. That is not what is happening here if you haven't noticed. General stakes increases that you have noted are NOT in line with the relative wagering revenue generated by those events, even though they may have been increased. It's that misalignment that RV seem to be trying to remedy but has become increasingly out of whack here.

One last year that day. the 8th, 2023. Won a race that day so remember it well. Twilight meeting.

Pity that's not often displayed by the ones they send over here.

Totally opposite strategy to the one embarked on here. You have to wonder how such different strategies could emerge from similar organisations. Maybe because they don't have the taxpayer and other subsidisation that we do?

And pretty old and tired now. What 40 years later?

Not sure why you are disinclined to help us out on that @Huey?

new?

creeping?

You mean my cache?