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You never answered this but I see the latest Longines' ratings (through October 8th) still have IWIW as the top rated sprinter in the world. Only other Aus horses in the top 120 are Giga Kick, Gold Trip and Anamoe.

That's the point of the article isn't it? I didn't say I necessarily agreed with it or not.

Its only winning stallion is earning a fortune. So, does The Everest even need group 1 status? By Adam Pengilly Updated October 11, 2023 — 8.23pm In the week leading up to the country’s first referendum this century, the Australian Electoral Commission ran an advertisement reminding people to vote before heading to watch a horse race only in its seventh year. Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys joked The Everest racegoers might be the best chance of saving Anthony Albanese’s stuttering Yes campaign, given the omens of his race’s short history (a horse called Yes Yes Yes won The Everest in track record time in 2019) For the first time in 40 years the Melbourne Cup parade has been cancelled with organisers citing cost and animal rights activists for the decision. It also netted the slot-holder and Yes Yes Yes’ connections $6 million in the process, at the time the largest prize purse ever given to a winning horse in Australian racing history. Yes Yes Yes never started in another race after a later injury. But in the years since then, the only colt or stallion to win The Everest has raked in far more money than he made for the 67 seconds of work on the track. In fact, he will make just as much cash this breeding season as what he collected from his most memorable win. Yes Yes Yes is now standing as a stallion at the prestigious Coolmore Stud property in the Hunter Valley where the owners of each mare served by him pay $33,000 for the privilege. He’s nowhere near the most expensive stallion at an Australasian stud – champion sire I Am Invincible commands an eye-watering $302,500 for each service – but one that is lining the pockets of his owners nonetheless. The Everest winner Yes Yes Yes with handler Niall Scott.Credit: Peter Stoop Last year alone, Yes Yes Yes covered 164 mares, which meant he earned just shy of $6 million for a few months of romantic rendezvouses. If his progeny, which are just starting to race as two-year-olds, show they’ve got athletic ability, that figure and his service fee will increase quickly. So, with the only colt ever to win the race being popular at stud, does it even matter if The Everest is not granted the group 1 status its organisers crave? In the euphoric moments after Yes Yes Yes won The Everest, there were giddy predictions that the colt’s value had soared to $50 million. No one can exactly know a horse’s value until it’s on the market, and Coolmore weren’t going to part with a horse which is a licence to print money. But group 1 or not, his spruikers said Yes Yes Yes was the hottest horse in Australia destined for a life of loving. Since then, the fracture between Australia’s racing states over The Everest has been laid bare. Yes Yes Yes winning The Everest in 2019.Credit: Getty Images NSW Supreme Court documents allege every state bar Victoria had agreed to grant The Everest group 1 status at a Racing Australia meeting in 2018. The organisation has been dysfunctional ever since, and The Everest still waits for its stamp as an elite event despite its prize purse lifting to $20 million this year. But it hasn’t deterred buyers when it comes to evaluating a stallion prospect. “As a buyer, and consultant to buyers, I have the upmost respect for the race,” renowned bloodstock guru James Bester says. “I think any horse that can win a race like that, I give it the equivalent of winning five group 1s. That doesn’t apply to all races though, no matter how rich they may be. “It will take time for results in the breeding barn and progeny to prove it as a stallion-making race in the mould of the Golden Slipper or Caulfield Guineas, but that’s only because The Everest hasn’t been around long enough. Time will tell.” For that to happen, it might need another colt or stallion to win the race with three-year-olds Shinzo and Cylinder joining Buenos Noches and Hawaii Five Oh as horses hoping to enhance their futures with a win in The Everest. “We consider The Everest to be somewhat of a ‘super group 1’,” says Coolmore Australia boss Tom Magnier, who races Golden Slipper winner Shinzo. When Yes Yes Yes won the race, he defeated 10 individual group 1 winners and achieved a Timeform rating of 125. Such a feat can only be achieved by a very special three-year-old taking on older, more seasoned sprinters. If you have a three-year-old that can do that, they must be considered as an elite stallion prospect.”

At the request of the Trainers’ Association the trials originally scheduled for Riccarton on Tuesday 17 October will now be at Ashburton on Tuesday 24 October. Entries will be on Monday 23 October at noon.

https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/alcohol-free-to-run-for-yulong-in-20m-the-everest/789778

Wonder what the king would think if he went to Ascot and was confronted by that.

Was in a couple of other large professional organisations last week. There was evidence of the odd security person but they were not wearing body cams and certainly didn't act like they were expecting their valued customers to attack them in any way. What on earth are the RIB thinking here? There's a chance they'll end up getting exactly what they are asking for. If that's remotely necessary in the game, I'm not sure I want to play any more.

Yeahh. That too. Exciting times. But in case you still haven't got it, this thread is about the Everest and the promotion thereof.

I agree. Looking forward to it. Imperatriz aside, the best sprinters in Australasia and an even competitive betting event.

To be covered on Trackside premier (64) and TVNZ+.

By who?

Granting of a Jockey Licence to Matthew Cameron The NZTR Racing and Integrity Committee met on Monday 2 August 2023 to consider an application from Matthew Cameron to be relicensed as a Jockey. As a result of his conviction on a charge of indecent assault (to which Mr Cameron pleaded guilty) in August 2022, Mr Cameron became a Prohibited Person within the meaning of the Rules of Racing. He was, however, able to apply to the Exemptions Committee (a Committee comprising representatives of the three racing Codes and a Chairperson appointed by the Codes) for an exemption from his prohibition under the Rules of Racing. Mr Cameron was granted an exemption by the Exemptions Committee on 1 September 2023. As part of its consideration of Mr Cameron’s application to be relicensed, the Committee sought advice from an independent expert on matters of racing integrity. The independent expert concluded that appropriate circumstances existed for Mr Cameron’s application to be favourably considered. After carefully considering all information available to it, the Committee agreed to grant Mr Cameron a Licence on the condition that he cannot resume race riding until he demonstrates (by riding trackwork, at jumpouts and at trial meetings) that he is in a fit state to do so as approved by the Racing Integrity Board. In reaching its decision, the Committee took into account: 1. The statements made by the sentencing Judge about Mr Cameron and the steps taken by Mr Cameron in respect of his behaviour. 2. The advice of the independent expert on matters of racing integrity. 3. Support for the application from the Jockey’s Association. 4. The statements of the Exemptions Committee regarding Mr Cameron in its decision granting him an exemption. 5. Mr Cameron’s record in over 25 years as a licence holder. Yours in racing, Darin Balcombe Chief Operating Officer New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing 106-110 Jackson Street, Petone, Lower Hutt, Wellington 5012 Email: office@nztr.co.nz Phone: +64 4 576 6240 Fax: +64 4 568 8866 NZTR.CO.NZ Unsubscribe

Could officially withdraw it though?

That makes a bit more sense. Still think nearly 2" from 2yo is a bit of a stretch for faster maturing breeds like thoroughbreds but it does say this varies somewhat by breed.

That article is unsubstantiated and ridiculous. It says horses reach 90% of their mature height at 2. So a 16hh 2yo is going to grow another 6"? Hahaha. Very funny.

OK. Can you get the supporting data from your trainers then please. I'd be interested to see it.

That question confirms that you don't get it. I'll leave my comments for those that do to consider and respond to if they like.

I'm referring to the public not generally involved with racing or betting. No and no to the other 2 questions. You clearly still don't get it.

No. It comes out of their stakes funding at the expense of funding for other races.

That's interesting. Do you have some data on that? I thought TB growth (wither height) pretty much stopped at 18-24 months.

You clearly still don't get it. I'm talking about promoting racing to the general public. If you want to discuss the merits of the Everest as a race or racing's social licence, do it in another thread.

Maybe, but it's not now. Totally different from the Kmillions excessive spend by NZTR

Yep. It comes from sponsorship. Not industry funds as Freda said.

When was the last NZTAB runner in the Melbourne Cup again?

I don't know since the TAB has decided not to publish monthly, 6 monthly or annual reports anymore it seems. You'd have to probably do an OIA request to find out! But for TABCORP it's definitely NSW's biggest turnover race of the year. This year if you bet there that will be into the massive world pool.