Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, holy ravioli said: Well ,her record shows she is a very good mare...Won a Coolmore and a Newmarket, Very good is subjective. The Coolmore she won wasn't an overly strong one and an age group race at set weights. The Newmarket she carried a lightweight of 51.5kg under handicap conditions. She hasn't done a lot since. A plus is she seems to not mind the straight six.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: So her run in the Everest where she came from the back,hooked wider out to motor home for 4th was impressive imo. It looked impressive but in my opinion she ran to her rating not above it and came to the end of that run a couple of lengths before the post. She hasn't won since the Newmarket in March. Well beaten in the TJ at WFA. Meets Imperatriz on equal weights.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: has beaten Everest contenders IWIW& Buenos Noches , So has Imperatriz as well as a few others! 19 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: has banked over 4.5mil and won 6 from 13. Money won and percentage wins aren't necessarily good indicators of form for a specific race. $1.5m of that was from running 4th in The Everest. Imperatriz has a 76% win record vs 46% for In Secret. 60% win record for Imperatriz at Group Level. Imperatriz a $ROI of 160%. In Secret 57%.
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Very good is subjective. The Coolmore she won wasn't an overly strong one and an age group race at set weights. The Newmarket she carried a lightweight of 51.5kg under handicap conditions. She hasn't done a lot since. A plus is she seems to not mind the straight six. No it's not subjective at all.Of all the thousands of race horses competing she is in elite company. 'Stakes performance: 1st 2023 Yulong Stud Newmarket Hcp (Gr.1); 2022 Coolmore Stud Stakes (Gr.1); 2023 Tab Light Fingers Stakes (Gr.2); 2022 Furphy Run To The Rose (Gr.2); 2022 Vinery Woodlands Stks (LR); 2nd 2022 Golden Rose Stakes (Gr.1); 2022 Silver Shadow Stakes (Gr.2); 2023 Southern Cross Group Concorde Stakes (Gr.3); 3rd 2023 Drinkwise Surround Stakes (Gr.1);
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, holy ravioli said: No it's not subjective at all.Of all the thousands of race horses competing she is in elite company. The term "very good" is subjective. If you believe In Secret is in "elite company" then you must put Imperatriz in the same category.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 Imperatriz 5 Group 1 Wins this year vs In Secret's 1.
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: So has Imperatriz as well as a few others! Money won and percentage wins aren't necessarily good indicators of form for a specific race. $1.5m of that was from running 4th in The Everest. Imperatriz has a 76% win record vs 46% for In Secret. 60% win record for Imperatriz at Group Level. Imperatriz a $ROI of 160%. In Secret 57%. So far Imperatriz has 3 grp1 wins in Australia...all at Moonee Valley. The calibre of horses competed against is a good indicator of ability. Anyway in another week or so...we will...see.
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: The term "very good" is subjective. If you believe In Secret is in "elite company" then you must put Imperatriz in the same category. I do put Imperatriz in the same category.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: The calibre of horses competed against is a good indicator of ability. Not necessarily when they run fourth to them. However relative performance is a good indicator and as we debated earlier one judge had her win rated higher than The Everest. Did you analyse the sectionals for The Everest? I can't seem to find them.
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Not necessarily when they run fourth to them. However relative performance is a good indicator and as we debated earlier one judge had her win rated higher than The Everest. Did you analyse the sectionals for The Everest? I can't seem to find them. Don't have them...1200 run in 1.07.64.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Don't have them...1200 run in 1.07.64. Then how can you conclude that In Secret finished fast?
curious Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 51 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Not necessarily when they run fourth to them. However relative performance is a good indicator and as we debated earlier one judge had her win rated higher than The Everest. Did you analyse the sectionals for The Everest? I can't seem to find them. They are here: https://racing.australianturfclub.com.au/meeting/4342
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, curious said: They are here: https://racing.australianturfclub.com.au/meeting/4342 Excellent thanks @curious - first time Google has defeated me.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 As I suspected In Secret's sectionals overall in comparison weren't exceptional. Very good all the same. The fastest last 600m of the field. Her last 200m slower than her second last which in my opinion would indicate she had used up all her gas. May not have described that very well and looking at the sectionals on my phone stretches my eyesight!
curious Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: As I suspected In Secret's sectionals overall in comparison weren't exceptional. Very good all the same. The fastest last 600m of the field. Her last 200m slower than her second last which in my opinion would indicate she had used up all her gas. May not have described that very well and looking at the sectionals on my phone stretches my eyesight! That can happen with google on the phone. You are liable to end up google eyed! I note the latest TRC ratings have Imperatriz rated at 120.6. In Secret at 115.6. https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/rankings/category/horse/?paginate-by=200&sort-by=rank&sort-by-order=desc Be interesting to see where the Longine's ratings have them this month. Edited November 2, 2023 by curious
curious Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 https://loveracing.nz/News/42941/WeighIn-DavidEllisonRoyalAscot.aspx
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So we learrned absolutely nothing from that vid.Talk about getting ahead of yourself. Any sectionals for the Manikato.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: So we learrned absolutely nothing from that vid.Talk about getting ahead of yourself. Any sectionals for the Manikato. Yep. But you must have them being the punter analyst extreme!
holy ravioli Posted November 2, 2023 Author Posted November 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep. But you must have them being the punter analyst extreme! Imperatriz broke 1.10 for the 1200.
Chief Stipe Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Imperatriz broke 1.10 for the 1200. Did she win? 1
curious Posted November 2, 2023 Posted November 2, 2023 4 hours ago, holy ravioli said: So we learrned absolutely nothing from that vid.Talk about getting ahead of yourself. Any sectionals for the Manikato. https://www.racing.com/form/2023-10-28/the-valley/race/8#/sectionals
holy ravioli Posted November 3, 2023 Author Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 8:30 PM, Chief Stipe said: Yep. But you must have them being the punter analyst extreme! I'm not particularly concerned about sectionals.I make no claims about being a 'punter analyst,extreme. I do not pick winners after...the race.
Chief Stipe Posted November 4, 2023 Posted November 4, 2023 6 hours ago, holy ravioli said: I do not pick winners after...the race. That's good. You can't make money that way.
holy ravioli Posted November 8, 2023 Author Posted November 8, 2023 I see the NZ TAB have opened Imperatriz @$1.90!!...(better available in Oz)and-In Secret @$4.50😜. I guess some punters will be cart wheeling across...the..floor.😉
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